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Domain Hijacking

The topic seems a little harsh about what I'm discussing, but that's in effect what is trying to take place.

My dad purchased a domain for a bishop friend of the family (and our church). You may not like Christianity or the website but the problem we're facing can happen to ANYONE.

This domain is up for renewal August of this year. My dad got a bill for the domain in the mail. He's the type of person that when he gets a bill, he tends to just send in money. This bill should have been a no-brainer and shouldn't have required my help but it did. Why? The bill is not from our current domain registrar (godaddy.com) but was in fact from another service called “Domain Registry of America” (www.droa.com). I've had to do renewals with godaddy.com before. They're entirely automated and they take the money from our credit card. We only have to let them know before hand if we're going to cancel the renewal. They also send email renewal reminders and have NEVER sent us any postal mail. That right there would have alerted me to a problem, yet I was never presented it because it didn't seem like there was one.

Why can this happen to anyone? Whois. My complete contact information, as well as my father's, is included when you whois the domain. Anyone that can whois the domain can get our address and 'craft' documentation that closely matches what we currently have.

Here's sample whois information:
Expiration Date:29-Aug-2004 00:50:58 UTC
Registrant ID:GODA-*Blanked*
Registrant Name:Paul Brayton
Registrant Street1:*Blanked*
Registrant City:Marietta
Registrant State/Province:Georgia
Registrant Postal Code:30066
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone:*Blanked*
Registrant Email:*Blanked*

Note the Registrant ID. GODA? That is in fact GoDaddy's acronym. Domain Registry of America's acronym is probably DROA. Why is this important? It's quite possible that one can automate a way to get a list of domains. From this list, they can whois every domain and get the Registrant ID. From this ID they can tell who the registrar is. This, coupled with the Expiration Date, proves that DROA could in fact send us a bill that would fool anyone not paying close attention to it. Since DROA is a registrar, they would know best how to poll domains for their internal use. It's entirely possible that coupled with this information, they can find domains that don't belong to them and 'solicit' 'business' by sending them 'renewal' 'bills'. It's entirely possible and it seems like the whois information proves it, but I can't be 100% certain.

 

I've said all of this to hopefully alert you all to this problem. We may be the only one affected by these underhanded schemes but I have a feeling we're not alone. I also have a feeling that if one company can automate this or do what they did, it's quite possible that other registrars can follow suit.

I also could use help if anyone has dealt with something like this. I want to alert ICANN to this possible issue with one of their registrars. I can't seem to find any email addresses or contact information that I can use to alert them to this possible growing problem. I also want to get our money back but I have a feeling that may be more trouble than it's worth. I could try to contact DROA directly and demand our money back but I have a feeling that approach won't work. If they baited us using this technique they aren't really going to come out and admit it, much less actually give back money they've already withdrawn from the account.

Thanks for listening, hopefully none of you will have to deal with something like this. Unless things change though, I have a feeling this epidemic is only going to increase especially now that domain registration is deregulated. This means that any company can have good intentions but at some point can begin to troll for business by using automated techniques. It's quite sad but quite possible, so watch out.

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Print | posted on Monday, May 10, 2004 12:11 PM | Filed Under [ Living on planet Earth Information Technology ]

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# RE: Domain Hijacking

This is exactly the reason I use GoDaddy's Private Registration option (aka Domains By Proxy). This way all my info is not made public and his kept hidden by Domains by Proxy. Yes it costs extra, but IMHO it is worth it.
5/10/2004 1:17 PM | DonAT_NOSPAMdonxml.com (DonXML D
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# re: Domain Hijacking

I don't see a point in the private registration personally because I wouldn't fall for something like that, but I have friends and clients that I recommend use it for privacy's sake (i.e. some people don't like stalkers). For business domains, I think a private registration is a mistake.

You should contact GoDaddy about this. They have successfully fought and defeated much larger companies (including VeriSign) over this very issue. Their complaints to ICANN would be more powerful than yours and your complaints to GoDaddy would be more powerful than a your complaints to ICANN.
5/11/2004 6:48 AM | Shannon J Hager
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The domain is personal for now until someone else takes it over. We set it up for someone and someday they'll take it over I'm sure. For now we pretty much need to either be okay with it, or pay the extra money for the privacy option. I personally think it's a good idea because I don't like much of my information out there, especially something that personal. It's okay if websites have it but when it's that accessable it becomes a little too annoying.

I believe I found a loophole in their FAQs:
Q: What happens if my domain name is not successfully transferred to you?
A: If for any reason your Domain Name transfer to us is unsuccessful, your payment will be credited back to you as per our Terms & Conditions.

They have an automated email asking me for the EPP key which will give them access to transfer the domain. I would suspect that if I simply let this go until August (when the renew date is) that this will make it impossible to transfer, therefor making them send us our money back then.

We have the automated renew thing turned on with GoDaddy so in August it *should* renew then. This automatic renewal should basically bump out what DRoA is trying to do as well as get our $40 back. This is all theory though, I suppose we will try this out hoping the domain doesn't drop in the process. I assume DRoA will do some retarded crap like buy the domain and reserve it out of spite or something.

I'll see what can happen as August approaches I suppose. I'll probably post something on it then, especially if it pisses me off any more
5/12/2004 6:10 PM | Jeremy Brayton
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MUSICMADE4U.COM
I got the same nonsense where we paid renewal on time with cc thru paypal and then no answer from "REGISTERMY.COM (RESELLERS FOR ADVANCEDMINDS.COM) which supposedly both merged and now show a Jmoore@registermy.com who does not return emails or I get bouncebacks. The phone#877-818-2595 does not render and phonecalls back to us. Then Domain Contenders is now holding it for a ransome of $330.
support@noldc.com (DomainContenders was told we're a humanitarian organization that needs the name to continue & we would not pay this ransome notice) they don't call either. Our cause is to bring live music performances to those whom are afflicted & bedridden veterans and mentally ill. Trying to provide for them a better quality of life. "As medicine heals the body, music heals the soul"! This world is supposed to be about LOVE but we have to still contend with such idiots. Therefore, I declar war on these people and ask you to proceed on to passing this out as much as possible and help our cause in the same platform. 4more info: info@melodyfor humanity.com
Thanks
Dave M
PS-goodluck.
5/21/2004 9:37 AM | Dave M
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Ladies and Gentlemen,
Having been using DROA for some time and for multiple domains I wonder what the hey you all are talking about. But after some investigation I did notice the folks at DROA are slipping a little. This is sometimes what happens to companies that start strong but have not actually factored in success and the volumne of calls and responsibility that success can bring. Now having siad that I suggest that everyone find a company they can ssupport and when the company starts to slip call and talk to someone who can do something about what your complaint is about, anyone can listen to a persons grief, but few can actually do anything about it, and fewer will.

That menas, "If it;s to be, it's up to me" PERIOD.

Now as far as using some sappy @$$ excuse that you are providing humanitarian aid to someone and that makes it okay to hijack a domain, I think you need a labotomy! Not that anyone would do such and thing but I suspect there are some who think about it.
Sarge
1/28/2005 8:07 AM | Sgt. Matthew H Tartaglia D.D. US
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I had a private registration thru Godaddy. They cancelled it and transfered ownership of the domain without my authority. This is against ICANN policy. Registrars cannot transfer domains (they don't own them) If you think Godaddy is an honest company ...You're making a very big mistake. Camille Ede is the office thief who is responsible. Any similar situations happen to you ? Call me (360) 834-9624 Let's hire an attorney
3/26/2005 6:11 PM | Robert Flatt
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it seems that when people put a little pressure on anyone, whether a company or a person the ones who are high lighted either get going and they get their stuff together or they run for the hills. DROA has been very good to me and I appreciate that, very much, but if they were to stop then I would use someone else. Until then keep on going DROA
7/17/2005 4:31 PM | Matthew H Tartaglia
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You CAN get your money back from DROA thanks to the FTC...

The Federal Trade Commission stipulated that upon consumer request DROA must refund any payment remitted to them, AND compensate eligible consumers an additional $6.00 per domain name transfer to assist with fees incurred when transferring back to their original registrar.

If you file a complaint with the FTC you may be entitled to ADDITIONAL redress if you experienced any loss of business or business expenses due to DROA’s scam.

Aaron Cook
http://HomeBusinessToday.blogspot.com
10/29/2006 9:02 AM | Aaron Cook
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