Time Warner and HDTV

This guy seems to be having problems with HD service on Time Warner digital cable. 

But from reading his post, and having my own experiences with Time Warner and HD, I think his problems fall under the category of “user error.”

When I wanted an HD box from Time Warner, I took my digital cable box to their local walk-in service/store location and asked for the HD box.  They said, “do you have an HDTV?”  Of course I said “yes.”  They then took my old box and gave me a new one.

When I heard that the 8000HD (the DVR HD box) was becoming available, I called up TW and asked about it.  They said it would be here in a few weeks (this was back in May or so).  I actually heard about a week later at work that one of my co-workers had just picked up their HD DVR box for their living room.  So naturally I went home on my lunch break, grabbed my box, and proceeded to the TW store to get it replaced.  Keep in mind, the DirecTV Tivo box that everyone raves about costs $1000 and you have to pay extra for both the DVR subscription and an HD subscription.  My box was free, as long as I pay the $5/month DVR subscription fee.  There is no charge for HD content on Time Warner Cable.

I had absolutely no problems with my box.  Now, it’s not perfect.  It doesn’t always pick the right setting in regards to adapting 4:3 programs to my widescreen monitor.  It also occasionally picks the wrong setting for 480p/1080i/pass-through mode.  But most of the time it works fine – and changing that setting requires exactly two buttons on the remote (the “settings” button, which defaults to that option, and “right” to change the setting to where I want it).

The guy that I linked to above had the following problems:

1)      No DVI output.  This one I can’t really address since I haven’t used it myself.  From what I’ve read, DVI is not enabled on the 8000HD boxes, for whatever reason.  Some say it will be enabled in the future.

2)      He complains “Time Warner has disabled the DVI output, the RF output and the S-Video output on the box.”  That’s simply not the case.  I’ve used the S-Video output on my box without any trouble.  Of course, it helps if you read the manual or look at the Quick Setup card they give you.  It very clearly states that you have to use the “Setup wizard” to correctly configure the outputs that you want enabled.

3)      He says “The only way to get HD cable is with an RGB component video pigtail cable.”  Anyone who knows anything about modern A/V equipment knows that virtually every HD monitor has Y/Pb/Pr component inputs.  That is NOT RGB.  I’m willing to bet his does as well.  Y/Pb/Pr is what every progressive scan DVD player uses, the Xbox uses, and just in general IS the HDTV connectivity standard.  Why he uses some obscure “RCA/RGB to D-Sub 15” cable is beyond me.  And he wonders why his picture doesn’t look right.

4)      He complains about his inability to control the volume output when using the Digital Audio connection.  Of course, if he’d read the manual (or looked in the Settings menu) he’d see that there’s an option for “Fixed” or “Variable” digital audio output.  Guess which one his is set to.  Furthermore, who the heck wants to control their digital audio volume at the source?  That’s what your receiver is for.  That’s why “Fixed” is the default option, because that’s what everyone wants anyway.

5)      He says “What's all of that digital noise, why does the picture stop and start? What are all of those artifacts?” Perhaps it has something to do with the horrendous cabling he opted to use?  Maybe if he’d used the component video cables that TWC PROVIDES he wouldn’t have such a bad picture.  As for the picture starting and stopping… that’s something I’ve never seen.

6)      Why does the box use gray letterboxing for 4:3?”  Perhaps because he set the “letterboxing” option in the Settings menu to “grey?”

7)      “If I thought that switching a digital cable channel was painful, just add the aspect radio adjustment for an extra two seconds to make the channel switch weigh in at an impressive 3.5 seconds per.”  If he knew anything about digital cable, he’d know that a standard digital or HD digital box has no delay.  The delay comes because of the DVR functionality, as it buffers its 1-hour recording cache.  Every DVR setup I’ve seen has this slight delay.  You tend to get used to it.  Though it is something I’d hope they would improve in the future… there are limitations to how fast the hard drive can adapt.

“HDTV is not ready for prime time and it is certainly not something you need to rush out to buy. In fairness, I have seen other HD installs that look "right." But, TW cable does not fully control its bandwidth. The quality of your service depends on where you are and how many people share your feed. Remember, DVD's are not HD, most television is not HD. Without a true source of HD content shot in HD for HD, the viewer experience is truly sub-optimal.”

This is completely contrary to my experience.  In my area (NY capital district), there are about 15 HD channels.  Perhaps he doesn’t know about the 1800 range of channels (all HD).  In my area they include HBO, Showtime, three for the four major local stations (the fourth has a “Coming soon” message – though I haven’t looked lately to see if it’s changed), and several others.  I also thoroughly enjoy HD content in my Xbox games and on HD shows that I download and stream to the Xbox Media Center app on my modded Xbox.  In addition to that, Progressive Scan for DVDs certainly looks very, very good. 

Clearly, improvements need to be made to smooth the transition for first-time users.  But this guy knows full well he’s venturing into newly charted territory… and what’s more, the convergence of two very new technologies (DVR and HD) and some hiccups are to be expected.  The thing is, most of his problems could be solved by reading the manual and following the instructions provided with the hardware.  And I think it’s unfortunate when he tries to give TWC and Scientific Atlanta a bad rap when, from what I’ve seen, they’ve done the best job at making these technologies accessible to the public.  $1000 for a box is a pretty steep price tag for DirecTV.  And Comcast charges for HD content.  Their Motorola cable boxes are garbage with a laughable interface.

Voom is an interesting concept that I’ve not seen personally.  But like DirecTV, it seems like too steep of a price and commitment for little return (*most* of the HD content they offer is also available on TWC).


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"If he knew anything about digital cable, he’d know that a standard digital or HD digital box has no delay. "

I don't know anything about digital cable but I do know that there is a delay here (my apartment, Charlotte, NC) with the standard TWC box. 10/12/2004 7:27 PM | Shannon J Hager

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This guy probably has an IBM HiResolution monitor such as the P260 which comes with a VGA and DVI port. He was most likely hoping that is monopoly cable company would have the decency to support the latest digital standards. It doesn't seems so outlandish. TWC was bombarding the DTV thing so why should he not want to utilize a Digital connector for his Digital HDTV service? This monitor has higher than HDTV resolutions 1920 x 1440. It seems that Time Warner is afraid of supporting digital output at the consumer level. 11/30/2004 10:45 PM | eon

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That monitor doesn't have component input? Weird.
I have an HP f2304 23" display (1920x1200) and it does, along with DVI.

Very few HD set-tops have DVI output. DVI is for computers, HDMI is for set-tops. But until HDMI is adopted by more manufacturers, component will remain the standard.

Also it isn't TWC's decision not to include DVI support on the 8000HD... that's Scientific Atlantic's call. 11/30/2004 10:49 PM | Brandon Paddock

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Do you know of a way to get rid of the grey letterboxing (and set to black?)

My old HD Cable Box from TimeWarner had black letterboxing by default. I spent an hour trying to look for some setting menu option but didn't find one.

Have you figured this one out?

Thanks in advance! 12/1/2004 2:45 PM | anthony

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I just replaced my 3100HD box with a new 8000HD on Time Warner in Manhattan. I have tried to find a way to allow simultaneous S-video and component video outputs, but can't seem to figure it out. I called Time Warner - they said S-video is off on purpose, and that a software download is coming in the next 2-3 months to turn on the dual video outputs. Anyone figure this one out in TW in Manhattan? 12/4/2004 6:22 PM | Ron Mei

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I spoke with a rep at time warner and they said that this box will receive a firmware update during january that will enable the DVI output. Yay! 12/8/2004 4:46 PM | Tony

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I just got one these HD DVR's here in Charlotte, NC. Is there any way to archive your shows you've recorded on the DVR to VHS? I know you can't record the HD signal broadcasts, but the regualar shows should be able to be recorded on to VHS shouldnt they? Unfortuntely, the Coax Video out on the back does not output any video. It's just a grey screen when the Coax is hooked up to video out. Does anyone know a way to record shows from the 8000HD DVR to VHS tapes?? 12/9/2004 5:32 PM | George

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"Do you know of a way to get rid of the grey letterboxing (and set to black?) "

Yes, it's in the options menu, at least on the 8000HD. Press the "settings" button twice, then look through the list for the proper option. I think it says "Border color" or something like that. 12/9/2004 8:09 PM | Brandon Paddock

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I just got the new box and have a new panasonic plasma. When I am watching regular cable channels I can change the aspect ratio, but when on the HD channels I am not able to change the aspect. Any ideas why> 12/10/2004 1:47 PM | Cory

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Which cable box do you have. Only the Scientic Atlantic has the option in HD. If you have the 3250HD, try the "*" key on th remote 12/14/2004 4:46 PM | sherman

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Do you really find HD TV to be worth the investment? Right now Time Warner only has these channels in HD. Not to mention these channels don't broadcast in HD all the time.

Ch. 701 HBO*
Ch. 702 CBS
Ch. 703 Showtime*
Ch. 704 NBC
Ch. 705 Fox
Ch. 706 Discovery HD Theater
Ch. 707 ABC
Ch. 710 TNT HD
Ch. 713 Thirteen

To spend 3500 for a TV that you can only enjoy less than half the time does not seem worth it to me. I have seen HD and it is awesome but when you go from an HD program to a non HD program the differnce is awful.

I have the TV that I want picked out but cannot justify the cost because of the lack of HD programming. Does anyone agree? Does anyone know how much more HD programming Time Warner will add this coming year (2005).

You go to Circuit City in Manhattan and all you see are Flat Panel HD TV's, are there really that many people buying into this at this early in the game? 12/16/2004 1:31 PM | Nick

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My 27" Samsung HDTV cost me about $800 four years ago (it was a floor model).

My Philips 60" Widescreen Projection HDTV was just under $1000 this year (also a floor model).

My computer's monitor is an HP 23" f2304 LCD panel, which supports all forms of HDTV input via its component Y/Pb/Pr input.

So, while I might not spend $3500 for that programming, I'll happily enjoy the free upgrade to my service since I already have the hardware :)

You'll notice that all of the local networks are covered by TW (CBS, ABC, NBC, Fox, PBS) - at least in my area. We also get a few extra channels that you don't have listed (a couple inDemand all-HD free movie channels).


Furthermore, cable isn't the only reason to buy an HDTV monitor. For instance, the most common use for me is probably the Xbox. Also many computers can be equipped with a DVI to Component Video adapter for output to an HD monitor.

And even on regular programming, the picture looks better thanks to 3:2 pulldown (de-interlacing) which virtually every HD or EDTV monitor does. 12/16/2004 8:11 PM | Brandon Paddock

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You are flat wrong. The SA8000HD does not output s-video, DVI or composite video. There is NO manual from TW. There is NO setup wizard from TW and the TW installers do not know anything about the boxes they install. A call to customer services yields nothing of use. You're on your own. More to the point. The boxes will crash and burn at an astounding rate. I'm on my sixth in four months.

As for some of the comments about value? The fun doesn't stop at TWC. You now will pay an additional $8.95 per month for InHD, ESPNHD and HDNet. And, that is absolutely not worth it!

Who ever you are and whatever you think you know, the guy from the Television Academy is right on the money!

"user error" ??? I don't think so. How about knowledgable consumer sold a bill of goods by hype and TWC advertising. 12/17/2004 9:54 PM | TW Customer

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I have to agree with the latest and more disgruntled posts. I've spent untold hours trying to get the setup wizard mentioned in the SA and also in the TWC manual to work. It does not. Additionally, DVI, S-Video and composite most certainly do not work. I've had the cable guy round and he confirmed exactly this. He said it may all work next year. Additionally none of the settings accessed using instructions posted here mention anything to do with border colors - so mine are stuck on grey.

After seeing many different forums, I can only assume that some of these boxes have different firmware which has activated these ports and menus for the lucky few. However, this is certainly not the case for me or the disgruntled in this thread.



12/20/2004 9:19 PM | Simon

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And my new Optoma 739 XGA projector only supports component through D-Sub (15pin VGA port) - so this is still an interface in recent hardware with limited space. It works great, but getting the cable is a bit of a pain. 12/20/2004 9:23 PM | Simon

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I managed to get my TW box to switch to Svideo by holding the Channel + and the Volume - buttons until the LED shows SD. You can switch back to Component output the same way. 12/29/2004 4:29 PM | Help for Svideo

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My 8000HD has functioning DVI that works fine with my 40" Sony XBR. My provider is Time Warner in Houston. Oddly though, the ygb component outputs look better than the DVI. The colors are brighter and the picture seems sharper.

The S-video and composite outputs also function to output saved movies to a VCR. I copy saved digital and HD movies to my PC with MovieBox USB, or to a DVD recorder occasionally. My DVD recorder is an iLo DVDRHD80 from Walmart. It would not show video in color until I ran the composite signal through my VCR first.

I also could not get the setup menus to work from the front pannel but everything is accesable from the onscreen menus anyway.

To the poster that asked how popular HD programs were, all of the local networks are in HD, Discovery, HBO, Showtime, and 2 HDNET channels and 2 INHD channels. About 15 total plus several sports channels. If I have a choice to watch analog, digitial, or HD, I choose HD and since the DVR can record HD while I am away, I often have a large choice of HD to choose from.

As someone mentioned, HD quality is amazing, especially with the Sony 40" flat screen direct view. I paid $2200.00 for a floor model at circut city a year ago and I would do it again in a heartbeat. It's better than any projection TV and better than the plasma or LCD displays I have seen too.

I have really enjoyed catching up on reruns of Smalllville, The Agency, Odyssey 5, The Handler, Andy Richter, IMAX, and a few others that I didn't watch the first time around.

Not to mention the amazing outdoor and travelog videos. I have a bunch of beautiful videos that I have watched several times.

12/31/2004 1:57 AM | Gotaudio

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I bought a new LCD TV and picked up a pioneer HDTV box from TW. The set appears to be set up correctly. However, every 45 mins the picture shuts off for 1 sec. It is like clock work. I have exchanges the converter on several occasion and have had the TV looked at. Anyone experience similiar problems? 1/1/2005 1:40 PM | Jerry

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I just hooked up my TWC HD SA8000 box and I am not happy. After many hours of shopping for TVs, I chose a 4:3 rather than a 16:9 with the theory that most programs are still broadcase in 4:3 and I have gotten used to letterbox for widescreen formats. Well, now I never get a full picture. When I'm on non-HD channels I have bars on all sides (and the picture looks bad) and when I'm on HD Wide I get letterbox (which I expected). When the broadcast is not in Wide format, I get the postage stamp picture. TWC techs have been no help. I sat for hours on the phone with them going through the same menus I had already gone through. One tech actually told me that the lower channels on the box (the networks) are actually analog. I have not gotten anyone else to confirm this but the picture looks so much less clear than my old digital box that it must be the case. On those channels I get grey boxes on the side and black bars on the the top an bottom. Is this normal? Why did I buy a 46 in tv if I am only going to be using 30 in for any picture? 1/17/2005 8:56 AM | Back to Digital?

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For some reason, every morning, my 8000HD box decides to change to a SDTV resolution that I did not program in it, and guess what, my HDTV doesn't support both HDTV and SDTV in the same component set, so I have to change cables every morning and run through picture format settings and change NOTHING to get it to work in HDTV. This box obviously has faulty firmware because it changes resolutions on it's own free will with the idea that all tvs support hdtv and sdtv resolutions in the same hookup set. Pure retarded. I'm changing to direct tv because of this. It took Time Warner over a full week to get a service guy to come bring my box to me, then, I had to show the retard how to hook it up properly and program the remote for him, cause I noticed him almost breaking a sweat from frustation. He charged me $10 to make me wait over a week and for me to show him how to do his job. Direct tv might cost more, but I hopefully will be getting what I pay, better and more reliable service.

The firmware in 8000HD boxes is completely faulty and has a mind of its own. 1/22/2005 10:08 AM | James

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I agree with the majority. The 8000HD leaves much to be desired. The DVI output seems to be disabled and the resolutions take forever to change when chaning channels.

One tip for those who are having difficulty with removing the "bars" on non-HD channels - set the unit to output on 480p mode IN ADDITION to 1080i mode (this can be found in the settings menu). The box will automatically output non HD channels in 480p mode which will be correct 4:3 and take up the entire screen (of a 4:3 set). I figured this out after calling TWC tech support.... 1/26/2005 11:14 PM | Eric

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Follow up to my last post. This technique of removing the bars only works if you are using composite video output, not DVI. 1/26/2005 11:16 PM | Eric

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Well I just picked up my box from Time Warner.
I was assured that it will work with my setup. I bought a Sony LCD TV and Stereo.
They are very minimalist so my TV only has one composite in and the Stereo/DVD only has one composite out.

My TV has an HDMI input, but as it was said many times here, DVI does not work. I might consider taking my box back. 1/31/2005 10:54 AM | Dino

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Anybody have an idea why my Samsung LTN1785W 17" LCD HDTV monitor will not pick up the component input from my TW HD DVR? I'm no expert, but I'll try to explain. Most of the time when I turn on the monitor I receive audio but no picture. Sometimes I can unplug the monitor and then plug it back in & a signal appears. However, after roughly one hour the screen will either freeze or begin to flicker (badly). Then it goes blank. I've now been thru 2 monitors and 2 DVRs & I don't know what to do. My Toshiba and Sony Direct View TVS are both HDTV, too, and they work just fine with the same HD DVRs from TW, so I don't know what's happening here. Anybody have any ideas? Thanks in advance. 2/3/2005 9:15 AM | Chuck

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Please help me!

I just got my Explorer 8000HD DVR from Time Warner today and while I was mucking about trying to figure out the whoe Picture Format thing, I deselected 1080i and selected 720(p? i? -don't remember) like an idiot and the whole screen went black. I see now that I should've selected 480p mode IN ADDITION to 1080i.
Anyway, WHAT CAN I DO? Can somebody walk me blind through the settings so I can select 1080i? Will that even work? Any other suggestions? Otherwise I'm looking at getting a new box and I don't have time to do that until a whole week from today. THANKS! 2/5/2005 10:42 PM | Eric

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If you want to output to the analog ports (s-video, composite), you must have PIP enabled. The signal from the PIP window will be output on the analog ports, if you've selected a non-HD channel on the secondary tuner that drives the PIP window. The stupid thing is that the PIP window closes on its own after about 30 minutes. Why? Because someone out there is STUPID! So, forget piggybacking your TiVo or VCR onto the Explorer 8000HD, unless you are there to ensure that PIP remains enabled. Further, there is no way to change the channel on the 2nd tuner via the IR blaster, so TiVo is even further disabled.

While I like a lot of things the Explorer box promises, and its cost is hard to beat, the interface SUCKS - even if you hadn't seen TiVo or ReplayTV already. Beyond that, there are so many bad functionality things, it is clear it is just not ready from prime time. Its Series recording section, complete with unannounced erasure of recorded shows, missed shows, recording of repeats despite settings to the contrary, lack of respect of scheduled show priorities - I could go on - render it just barely usable. If not for the 2-tuner setup (which I do love), and the fact that TiVo has no HD option yet, I would return the box. The beauty of the HD picture is really a huge selling point. Hurry up TiVo! Get your HD version ready!! 2/12/2005 8:37 AM | Marcus

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I have the TimeWarner Cable box PACE DC550P . DVI , components and all aspect ratios are unlocked. I get 4:3 and 16:9 with no borders. And you get DVI-D working with 480i 480p 720p and 1080i all working great. 2/22/2005 1:16 AM | Anthony

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TWC techs...well to say the least I find them worthless after two service calls and two days of missed work to watch them fumble around with a few cables (mainly DVI) that we told them would not get a single. I have had two SA Explorer HDDVR boxes, and now a Pioneer. No luck on DVI. Talking to Optoma projector people they said no problems with satellite providers, but that cable companies are notorious for not sending proper HD signals for DVI and HDMI use. So not sure who to believe, but every time we call TWC...we get, "I am not familiar, but can you call so&so tomorrow he's our tech expert!" lol, how you can be in the business, especially tech and not know how to use the boxes or install them correctly is beyond me. If TWC would stop hiring people to perform sales related functions across the board, perhaps their customers would get what they paid for? Note...prior to picking up any HD boxes, we did request that a DVI connection to work. Three people said it would...now we wait for who knows what! 2/23/2005 1:31 PM | Rich in Charlotte

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try sciatl.com website it has a very helpful user guide to their HD8000 & HD8300 3/15/2005 11:29 PM | L

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add me to the "yet again dissapointed with what i thought would be a killer upgrade box from the cable company" list. i have knology cable in augusta, i was their 8th customer 8 years ago as they digitized the home of the masters. my sci atl box history covers 2000, 2100, 3250hd, and as of two days ago, the 8000hd dvr. where do they get these installers? how can they know so little about their products? every time i let them in, i take the box from their hands, and install it myself, and quickly get reminded that this guy is like the rest, a grocery clerk with a three day cable installer class certificate that works for a sub. he obviously doesn't have what he's selling at home, nor a hdtv, nor digital audio or 7.1 surround. the only connection he would or could make or support was coax in / out and power. ... okay, i vented a little.... now i'm crying - the svideo out not working is killing me, as i have svideo distributed (along with analog and digital audio) thru my house. the 3250hd sent the svideo signal out on non hd channels, so i assumed..... so between conflicting install instructions from knology's site and sci atl's info which took me an hour to get component video set up, essentially loosing home distribution, ... i've been listening to digital music for the last 47 hours (box arrived 48 ago). i hope the recording feature is cool. as with so much technology being offered today, what advertised and what is delivered don't seem to match up, or make sense. as a consumer, i never thought about svideo not working on the newer box. depending on where you stand, it's almost unbelievable that such a feature would be removed from newer models. it would be like buying a new car, and when summer rolled around, you discoverd it had no air conditioning. i mean you bought the same make car from the same dealer, bigger, better, brand new, and they actually removed something you use every day. i live alone, a tv in every room, and have had all them all running the same channel. why did somebody decide to take that away. why did sci atl or knology make a decision to advertise an upgrade box that does 1/5th of what it used to do for me? who lost revenue because i can't watch the same channel in the kitchen, bedroom, or living room? do they want me to have an 8000 in every room? or afraid i'm going to record clear pictures of moutain sunrises with digital audio tracks and blackmarket them at the corner store? i guess a component to svideo converter with a pass through is on my shopping list to fudge before the svideo signal can get to the kramer svideo dist. amp. maybe i'll get the hd channels with this setup? or most likely the new svideo signal will not be as good as the old one after the conversion. anyone using such a converter? picture quality opinion / comparision? .. gotta go, i have enjoyed reading the thread. amazing how the real world stuff seems to just bubble out when you give it place to... kev

3/26/2005 4:37 AM | kevin in augusta

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I'm on day 3 of a HD-DVR from TWC here in Morrisville, NC (near Raleigh). I was disappointed to not have the HDMI/DVI connection work - my Sony rear-projection LCD 42" Wega has the port but it doesn't work with my computer (already tried that) and is supposed to support HDMI. Anyway, my box has already crashed twice, once so hard I had to unplug the box to get it working again. On the other hand it has worked very well when I've watched a good bit of TV/movies, etc. I will reserve judgement for a while. Another note: the TWC tech who came shrugged when I asked for an instruction booklet. There's nothing except the "answers on demand" thing and that's basically written for morons. 4/16/2005 11:57 PM | Lyman Green

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I live in Houston, Time Warner is my provider. I use a Scientific American 8300 HD DVR (1080i). I have used about 75% of available space. Today I attempted to record to VCR some programs, the unit lists this option as possible. I had no success - I used 2 different VCR's and 2 set of RCA connections. All I recorded was static. I called TW Support, and as usual, I knew more about the process than the tech. This model has VCR Output 2 for 1 Video and 2 Audio connections. I have some really good stuff I want to keep but haven't had success. Is there anyone out there with this DVR and can give me an answer to my problem? I appreciate your help. My email is Jethro@Tull.com 4/27/2005 12:21 AM | Scott K

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Lyman (or anyone who may know), does TW now offer a hd box with HDMI output? I have a Philips 30" widescreen with HDMI, but no DVI and the local jokers at my cable store don't even act like they have heard of HDMI.

thnx 6/6/2005 12:42 PM | James R

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I just spoke to a TW rep about hooking up HD service. I only wanted basic digital service. But he insisted that I have to get standard service if I want to get digital service. I doubt that is necessary. Has any one got basic channels with digital service installed?

I also asked to lease a cablecard, the rep insisted that the technician must install it for $42. Has anyone got a cablecard from TW installed and leased on a monthly basis? What's the cost?

Thx.
6/13/2005 4:33 PM | Mike Y

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how do you get to the setup screen for the various hd formats - i was screwing with the upconvert in the settings menu and the thing aced all the other formats such as 480p 720 and now only shows a zoomed in 1080i - regards 6/17/2005 8:52 AM | fredsnake

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Im having issues with my TWC HD8300 andmy HDI connection. I get audio over my HDMI. Can anyone help me??????????? 6/22/2005 8:32 PM | Danny

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I am trying to program my remote to change the channels on my television without the cable box. I can control the volume and the dvd player but not set the channels. Does anyone know how to program the remote to change the channels directly from the remote

6/25/2005 10:16 PM | Bill

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To Danny
""Im having issues with my TWC HD8300 andmy HDI connection. I get audio over my HDMI. Can anyone help me???????????""

Here's my order of events for the day (TWC in NYC):
1. Signed up for HD service last week (new subscriber)
2. tech shows up today with a REGULAR, non-HD box!
3. Tech ACKNOWLEDGES that I'm signed up for HD on his work order!!!
4. I go to the TWC office to switch my box to the TWC 8300 HD dvr
5. I have a brief conversation with two reps to make sure it has the HDMI output, they tell me the cable is expensive etc, that i have to buy it elsewhere... so I pick one up from Circuit City on the way home.
6. Go home. Plug it all in via HDMI into a new Sony 42 LCD rear projection model.
7. video yes, AUDIO... nothing.
8. Call TWC... the tech tells me that "TWC does not support HDMI"
9. I get into it with him, asking why no one at the TWC office said "DO NOT BUY IT" but instead actually discussed the usage and the price with me. I also asked why the 8300 manual they supply gives the "Click settings twice, select Audio Out: Digital" etc instructions, he gives no excuse... tells me that they will not provide support for any supplies bought elsewhere. I asked to be placed on a list for notification if the service would be offered, but he said this didn't exist.
10. He then transferred me to a supervisor, who, you guessed it, never materialized on the line, so I hung up.

Anyway-
Before I even called, I tried using various combinations of the HDMI and the audio outputs (RCA L&R) from each of the other output jacks, thinking i could "fool" it. I even tried with a set of component video outputs connected for good measure, thinking that it could detect video outputs that may trigger audio.... Still nothing.

So, I ended up just using the component cables that came with the box. That seemed to activate the audio outputs in that cluster. Oh well. So much for the trip to Circuit City and the $$$ on the HDMi cable.

Again, I did do the proper research to make sure the TV handled audio via HDMI, and it DOES. So after the hours playing around with this, I'm not crazy. I wouldn't be so concerned about the HDMI if I had enough ports on the back of my set- I've got two component inputs and one HDMI. I was planning on using these for DVD, Xbox, and my cable box respectively. Honestly, the picture quality looks perfectly fine right now with component inputs for cable. (but right now my dvd player is disconnected so that the component cables from the 8300 HD have a home)

Here are my conclusions and one more possible solution before I attempt to return the cable (or buy an HDMI output equipped dvd player so that i have enough inputs on the back of the tv...):

-I could be totally wrong, but I've come to the assumption that the box can detect which video output is being used, and only sends audio to the audio output jacks associated with those connections. This would explain why the component video and its associated audio jacks seem to work just fine.

-this leads me to think to try HDMI again, but use an optical audio cable (have to get one tomorrow) out into my receiver since there are no RCA output jacks for audio that are "near" the HDMI port.
(instruction manual stated that I could use "output 1" RCA jacks, but this is not supported by the passport software, which is why i argued with the service rep on the phone) . I have a feeling that everyone who has HDMI working right out of the box probably went straight into their receiver with audio anyway. Hopefully this will be the no-brainer solution that I should have just tried first.

-if this works, somehow convince my girlfriend that she has to turn on the receiver to get audio every time she watches tv... wish me luck! 7/7/2005 3:24 AM | pete

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I have the Pace DC 550T from TWC. Everyone on this site needs to get it. It eliminates all ofn the problems that you all have had in the past.

BTW: if anyone is going to get a new HDTV. Go with LCD and go with the Samsung LN-R408D. Blows away the new sharp aquos. It boast a 3000:1 contrast ratio, 500cd/m2 brightness, and many other wonderful things. only it uses 224 watts of money. Also Canare L4-CFB component video wires (Cheaper and better the the Best monster cables). I recommend the vampwyre Optical audio cables as well. IF YOUR GONNA DO IT, DO IT BETTER THEN THE REST. 7/7/2005 10:58 AM | Samsung LN-R408D

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to danny and pete.

Yeah, i have scientific atlanta hd8300. I just bought an HDMI cable and it works perfecty. Especially on the real 1080i channels like INHD 1 and 2. Anyway, I feel sorry for the guys above who didn't have their HDMI working. Mine works fine and i'm with TimeWarner as well. I read many are complaining about the lack of customer support. Honestly, i don't blame them. But then, my friend used to work there and it's not like they're required to know all the things that "WE" hdtv lovers know. But going back to Danny's problem, my issue here is that my receiver doesn't have an HDMI input/output so i still rely on the optical or coaxial digital audio. But, everytime i use the HDMI, i lose my digital audio (i still get audio, but the ones that are supposed to be 5.1 are now 2.1, know what i mean? IS there a way to disable that so i can strictly just receive the VIDEO signal and still receieve the full digital output in my receiver

thanks?
7/15/2005 9:12 PM | Jose

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I'm in the same boat as Jose.. I'm in the NYC/northern manhattan Time Warner area with an Explorer 8300.
I have a front projector with HDMI interface, but no HDMI interface in my receiver so I use the optical cable between the cable box and the receiver for audio. I connect the projector to the cable box via HDMI.
The problem is that the auido seems to become 2.1 ..The weird thing is that at first, it actually looked like perhaps it was working since I was getting sound from all speakers, but after a couple of minutes, I no longer heard anything from my rear speakers..
I'm likely just going to go back to composite, which sux considering we have all this great gear with HDMI support but we can't use that interface.....
I also have an issue with lots of "jumping"..this seems to mainly just happen with HDTV channels, but that could just be a coincidence since that's mainly what I watch.. I'll be watching and all of a sudden, audio seems to go blank and screen might pause for a second (hence missing about a second or 2 of the show) and then go on..almost like if you're watching a live streaming video on the net and all of a sudden, there was a problem buffering or something..anyone else experience this and find a solution?
Let me know (mlugassy@yahoo.com) if you happen to find a solution to this..
Mike 8/31/2005 8:57 AM | Mike

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I just got the 8300HD DVR - Time Warner in Houston. Beware those that have the "8300" and don't see the HDMI port in back. The 8300SD DVR does not have the HDMI port and I had to take back the one they gave me the day before and be VERY SPECIFIC about which I wanted. As is everyone else's experience - Time Warner's techs are clueless.

The HDMI output works well. For those that don't know - DVI only outputs video but HDMI also passes audio - so if you you convert your HDMI to DVI - you have to pass audio separately. If you want to split them out - pass DVI out and do the audio separately (if your TV can't support HDMI input).

My problem is the external SATA HD option. The techs are clueless again about this "feature". Sci Atl website says a "software update" is necessary to use this feature but the techs here are clueless about this 'update'.

Also - anyone have any luck porting these digital files to a PC directly? 9/11/2005 3:46 PM | ImDontknow

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so many questions here. any new questions after my post will be answered 10/14/2005 8:08 PM | Time Warner Tech Here

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are these time warner techs or contractors 10/14/2005 8:35 PM | Time Warner Tech Here

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Here in lower Manhattan . . .

My SA 8300 HD DVR was working fine since installation, two weeks ago, but all of a sudden went to blue screen on HDMI mode on my new Sceptre 37" 1080P LCD. Changed the MONSTER HDMI cable [4 meters] for another MONSTER, no change, still blue meaning no signal. Yesterday Time Warner changed the box, still blue screen.

IMHO it's faulty SA firmware. What's the REAL DEAL??? 10/19/2005 4:06 AM | Shelly

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I am getting more and more frustrated with TWC, here in the Cincinnati area, that I am about to pull the plug on them. I was not only told, by the rep at the cable store, the the HDMi works but she also sold me a $25.00 cable. Don't get me started on the Digital Phone nightmare. They were a very exciting option to Direct TV with the free HD DVR, at the time. It sure didn't pan out to be all that... 10/20/2005 4:12 AM | Doug

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I have TWC and the 8300HD and with the HDMI output I can only use 1080i, the others deselect themselves. My 4:3 HDTV needs the other outputs (480, 720, etc) so the non-HD channels fill up the whole screen and not bars all the way around. If I use the component outputs, it all works fine but the HDMI output doesn't seem to support anything but 1080i. Any thoughts? 11/14/2005 9:36 PM | John

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The HDMI port on my 8300 HD does not work properly. All I get is video but no audio and time warner has been no help. Any ideas on when this will be fixed or is there something I can do. 11/14/2005 10:17 PM | Alejandro

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I too have the 8300 HD and have tried my best using all sorts of configurations, but cannot get the audio to work with the HDMI cable. Very frustrating. Is it true that if I were able to use the HDMI connection, the HD video would be better quality than with standard component hookup? 12/5/2005 8:10 PM | Steve

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I'm in Columbus Ohio...

I just hooked up my 8300 and had the same audio problem with the HDMI cable. After messing around in the settings menu, I found the solution. In the "general settings menu" there's a category for "audio digital out". Just change it from dolby digital to HDMI.

I hope this helps everyone else like it did me. Let me know if you think the sound and picture quality is better with HDMI. 12/8/2005 7:16 PM | Derek

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I have TWC 8300, connected with HDMI. Twice now when I turn on the TV, several connected black boxes/retangles cover 60% or more of the screen. If I change channel, use program guide, or do any function on the remote, the black boxes disappear and don't return again until I turn on the TV the next time. I've rebooted the box which keeps them from coming back for a week or so, and then something causes the whole thing to happen again. Also, my picture quality is a bit blurry... I it my connection, TV (Sony XBR140") or TWC? 12/15/2005 12:22 PM | Robert

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Hi, I work for TWC, and I have the 8300 DVR. In most areas the HDMI and the DVI are not available yet. We are working on the technology, it will be here soon, I promise. When connecting your box to your tv, you have the use the Red, Blue, and Green connectors (they match your tv). To set up your picture, go to settings, more settings, and aspect ratio. If you call us and the rep you get doesn't know what you are talking about then NICELY ask to speak to someone else, some of our people don't know much about the HD.

I hope this was helpful!

Sincerely,
Your Friendly TWC Representative 12/19/2005 8:00 AM | Marie

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Well, it's obvious that the technology is still way, way in its infancy. I was about to get a new HDTV. However, after reading this, I'm going to wait a few more years. 1/11/2006 7:28 AM | Steve Abbott (NYC)

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A TWC techician came regarding my above problem with the black boxes. He did not know what was causing it. He did confirm though that my HDMI connection was working and admitted that many who have this connection (in NYC) are not able to use it yet. He gave me a new box and the problem seems to have disappeared for now. I still get some slightly blurry images, expecially on network HDTV. Seems like I notice the TV cameras refocusing. I have a 40" screen so perhaps I am noticing network studio production flaws more than I did before getting HDTV. Is this the state of network HDTV currently? 1/12/2006 2:20 PM | Robert

# changed from 1080 to 720, then black/blank screen

i did the same thing as eric from 2/5/05...checking out the various features, went to picture format, and wanted to see what the other resolutions would look like...after i changed it from 1080 to 720 the screen went blank...customer service will have to send a tech tomorrow (1/22, sunday)...probably to install a new box? anyone make a suggestion? i don't have any options from the tv side... 1/21/2006 1:27 PM | winston

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I got a TW 8300HD box for my new Samsung 30" Wide tube, and I found out HDMI only worked when the box was pushing 1080i, so I set the channel to Discovery HD, then plugged in the HDMI, and the picture worked! Then I went into the main menu by pressing Select, then the A button, found the Audio and switched it to HDMI, then I found the HD formats it uses, and disabled both 480 formats, now my HDMI works fine! 1/27/2006 12:46 AM | krisguy

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I have a RCA HDTV. I have the monster cabel for the DVI. Im using the SA 8000hd. I plugged the cable into the cable box and into my TV. I get a sound, but no picture. Does anyone know why. tried calling time warner, and they seem like they dont know what they are talking about. This is what someone told me. "the dvi port is active, but we dont support it. What the hell does that mean? Can someone help me. Thanks. 2/15/2006 4:28 PM | Tim

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I've been looking for this fix forever! Big thanks to Derek for showing us to go into "More Settings" and changing the Audio Output to HDMI...... 3/5/2006 2:32 PM | Vince

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I have a Pace 550 HD box that worked perfectly until a software upgrade yesterday. I have a 4:3 hdtv and use the dvi connection, but now the resolution is locked at 1080i on the dvi, so I always get some black bars on the screen. But it worked perfectly before yesterday. It used to switch resolution as needed. 3/29/2006 7:01 PM | Mike

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I am unable to correctly set the screen aspect ratio for my since the firmware update to my Pace Digital High Definition cable box this week.

The analog channels can not be set in a mode to fill the screen without major distortin and missing regions of the picture. In letter box mode there are light grey sidebars surrounding the picture.

None of the modes allow correct and complete visibility of the picture on both my Sony XBR 4:3 high definition television and digital recorder.

My digital cable service is essentially unusable since the update. To release an update this defective is unimaginable.
4/1/2006 6:56 PM | St.KnoWhere

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Anyone know how to change the pillboxsetting from gray to black? I cannot find an option on my Time Warner 8300HD 4/4/2006 8:47 PM | David

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If you set both 1080i and 480i as output my 8300hd automatically output the picture correct as 4:3 or 16:9 with no problem and I only once set the display for 4:3 TV with 16:9 and never have pill box problems either 5/6/2006 5:07 AM | Joe

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What manyof you fail to realize is that the set top boxisnt YOURS. If dviis not supportedthere is a good reason, and remember that whatever the HYPE that was advertized it did not advertize DVI. so get over it. If anyone "HYPED" you on DVI it was probably the sales person at your local circuit city.

r 5/27/2006 10:04 AM | twc_csr

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The last post sounds, and is written like it came from one of the moron TWC customer service reps. When your company advertises " Were commited to being the best" But really doesnt deliver a product that works, you would be pissed as well. Especially when TWC has a monopoly on cable service here in the NY area!! Up to two days ago MY 50' Samsung plasma which has an HDMI connection was working great! Picture quality and sound was perfect, on sunday night after a reboot which happens automatically usually to update the firmware or software on TWC end. It stopped working sorta like one of the last posts written a blue screen came up meaning no signal? I called them and they recomended i bring the box in for a switch okay no problem i said. Connected the new box today and guess what same problem obviously a software or firmware patch has created this but yet no one after calling them back can help? Their response is sorry but we do not support HDMI? "The FCC mandates that we must have them on our boxes but we do not have to support them"? What the hell is that about something is up over their maybe new piracy or copying of movies non effective encryption I dont know but either case loyal customers like myself who have thei triple play packages have to pay? Well Im cancelling them switching to Dir TV with their broad band it may be slower but a lot more consistent my bro has it.. I suggest every one here on this post pass it on and let the numbers of cancellation speak for them selves. Youll see how quickly they do something about this problem! I had prblems with their phone service as well but stayed loyal now the HDTV??? Im done will cancel all services with them and setup Dir TV and just keep my cell phone and stop paying for an extra line I dont even use. I dont mind paying cable being its more expensive than satelite tv but damn fet this stuff right already HD has been around for over (5) years now? So long cable! 6/21/2006 12:42 AM | Jay

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For those who have a problem with not having black bars on your TWC Scientific Atlanta 8300 HD box: I had black bars for a year on all my HD channels in NYC EXCEPT CBS. Those were always grey for non-wide screen programming. When I called TWC, and even when a service man came to the house, they didn't know why this was the case and blamed it on CBS. A year later (today), I called TWC again to complain about this when I discovered my neighbors new HD TV did have black bars on CBS. Though the service rep on the phone said she didn't even know what I was referring to when I spoke of "black side bars" on non HD programming, she put me on hold...forever....I got tired of waiting, hung up and a few minutes later I had black side bars on CBS after one year of not. Obviously someone did something on there end....perhaps rebooting my box. This problem only took one year to resolve. 12/12/2006 7:37 PM | Robert

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I have been told that it's going to be about a 2 to 3 week wait to get a hddvr box. After reading some of the horror stories. I can 't figure out if I'm making a sound decision. I would like to comeback in a month and write positive remarks on my initial expierences with my new hddvr box. I think it will help some of the potential consumers's doubts on the more cost efficient upgrade that's out today. 1/24/2007 11:54 AM | mike

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I have the SA HD 8300 HD/DVR box, and a Samsung DLP HDTV. I live in the Kansas City market, and I get great HD broadcasts from Fox, NBC, etc...with the exception of CBS. For some reason the feed becomes pixilated or unscrambled quite often...it always seems to happen during a big sporting event which is when I want to watch it the most. Any suggestions on why it would only do it on CBS' HD feed? Do I need to change my settings when watching CBS? Has anyone else experienced this issue with Time Warner's CBS feed? 2/4/2007 4:43 PM | Brett J

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Can i change the SA HD 8300 HD/DVR box from 1080i to 1080p, if so how? 3/30/2007 7:22 PM | mike D

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I have a TWC HD8300 DVR and I have recorded all my favorite shows, well, one really 24. And now I want to burn them to DVD. When I connected my Toshiba DVD burner to the Output 2 Vid-Audio l+r and go to play back the show, the Record Option is grayed out and I cannot use the send a show to VCR option like Cablevision version of HD8300's have. So I have to roll the show, and record while I am watching. When I attempt to watch the output of the DVD burning using a different input to the Samsung 1080p screen, it plays for a while, then goes black. And then it simply stops playing the show back from DVR and clicks to the last cable channel. WHAT IS UP WITH THAT? All I want to do is to send the shows to the burner and then watch another show live. Too much to ask?

donzi 5/16/2007 9:11 AM | Donna Rodger

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I have the Scientific Atlanta hooked up to my Sharp TV, going through my Sony audio receiver with an HDMI cable. It's worked fine for months, and all of a sudden, just now, the audio stopped working. (I was watching a program, paused it, and then, when I un-paused it, the audio was gone.) It's not a problem with the stereo -- it still plays DVDs just fine. And I don't think it's a problem with the signal -- the picture still comes through just fine. Anyone have any guesses as to what just happened? 6/3/2007 12:29 PM | Tim

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Here's my contribution to the hdmi-time warner problem. I have the Scientific American 8300 and when I tried to hook it up with HDMI I got video but no audio. I tried the fix that was suggested above of switching the audio out settings from Dolby Digital to HDMI but there was no HDMI option to choose, only Dolby Digital or Two Channel. I called time warner to have them send an upgrade to the box which they did, but afterwards there was still no HDMI update to choose. After I got off the phone with the Time warner guy I was accepting defeat and was figuring out other cable configurations to use instead of HDMI for audio when I rechecked the menu on the Scientific American and to my shock and amazement, the HDMI setting was now in the list to choose from. I have no idea why, maybe there was some delay from the update or maybe the box detected that I was disconnecting some of the other component cables. I honestly cannot think of anything specific I did to cause it to magically appear. Anyway, once I selected HDMI for my digital audio the HDMI worked for both video and audio. As long as it stays that way, I'll be happy. 6/19/2007 2:33 AM | Joe

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Hi,

I just upgraded to HD cable with Time Warner, and while I have figured out how to record shows on DVR, I am unable to select an option to only record certain showtimes, as I was able to do previously with my regular cable box DVR. Does anyone know how to do this?

Thanks,
Frustrated 7/30/2007 8:08 AM | DVR help for HD box

# re: Time Warner and HDTV - TW Sucks

Time Warner technical support and Customer service both suck. The crappy DVR box they gave me doesn't talk HDMI to my HDTV (Samsung LNT5265F). 8/10/2007 7:24 AM | Robert

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I bought a Sony Bravia 1080p and an HDMI cable (monster's). I am in Queens NY. Had so many problems with the TWC box, their technical support and customer service knows very little if anything about HDTV, HDMI etc.Tomorrow will be the 3rd time I am exchanging the cable box. The box now have an HDMI output but it didn't do anything when connected to my TV. You need to use the old cable as well. Guess what, after trying different ways and being frustrated for days, I realized that the TV works much better without the TW cable. Watching it with no cable or antenna (air cable??) I can receive perfect clear 18 channels, and by using my old analog antenna on my roof, I can get 22 channels. Sharp cristal clear pictures, great colors and great sound!! And where the broadcasting is HDTV I will get it wide screen (ch 13 and 2 for sure). The minute I use the TW cable, the picture becomes less sharp, sound and color are so bad that you just feel like shutting it off. Couldn't pickup HDTV channels like #13 & #2 on a wide screen. Bottom line is that I do not need a cable at all. If I need to see a movie I will go see it at a theater in the city and save $$$$. 8/13/2007 7:50 AM | catharina

# re: Time Warner and HDTV

I have issues with my Pace cable box from Time Warner also. I can only use it on Component and get a constant pic. When using it on HDMI I get sound and picture in and out and sometimes not at all. its a much clearer picture with the HDMI on my tv so I would really like them to fix it but they dont seem to know how. its a big pain for me cause I have to keep switching cable from my xbox 360 to my cable box when I am using the other one. 11/4/2007 2:24 PM | Jerry T

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I have a 8000HD box for my samsung 4254. Randomly I'll get wavy lines moving diagonally across the screen. It's not the tv, so a TWC service person is coming out on Monday. 11/17/2007 5:06 PM | GI, NY

# re: Time Warner and HDTV

I have the Scientific Atlanta 4250, the latest technology available from Time Warner. Although it has an HDMI output, it DOES NOT WORK. Three separate visits by TW Cable technicians resulted in various excuses: "It's government regulation" "This is the result of LOW BID." Sci-Atlanta made a bogus HDMI, it is really just a DVI port. ETC. Suffice to say TIME WARNER SUCKS since they market a misleading product that does not work.
I WILL JOIN ANY CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT. 12/15/2007 3:56 AM | Ken Lee

# re: Time Warner and HDTV

Time Warner just disabled my IR blaster via a sneaky firmware upgrade that doesn't seem to have any other purpose. When I called, (several times), to get them to restore the software they told me they would check and get back to me, but they never do. They also told me that I needed to pay them more money for DVR service if I want to continue to be able to record shows through their box. 1/23/2008 5:18 AM | Anamouse

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The Scientific Atlanta boxes provided by Time Warner I believe could use more memory capacity. I find that during high action scenes where there is glare or high reflections or fire works scenes for example it freezes the picture or creates digital artifacts. its a shame movies shot in high definition are not yet offered to the public by Time Warner Cable crisp with depth of color and clarity as seen with Blue Ray or DVD. The technology is available to do so, it just takes determination and the willingness to spend the money to provide customers with top quality service that is available . 9/19/2008 2:55 AM | Steve B

# re: Time Warner and HDTV

i cant even get true hd cause my tv is 1080p and the tw box supports 1080i. tw sucks 9/29/2008 2:45 AM | phil

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