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Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

This once ok system has finally gone just one step too far - in the direction of the smelly stuff.

What used to be a stroll in the park to install is now walk through a mine field. The latest version 4.3.4 promises to be great - but infortunately it shoots you down before entering the building.   They may as well put a bunch of viruses in their downloads area.

Finding answers to the many many different errors is a rewardless task. After finally resorting to their forums (I say finally because their main site, www.dotnetnuke.com is so goddamn slow it's painful - so it's a last resort) only be be confronted by:
A critical error has occurred. Timeout expired. The timeout period elapsed prior to completion of the operation or the server is not responding.

Again I say what a fucking pile of stinking shit! I guess they're not helped by MS's hell bent quest on changing they way they do everything from db connection strings to CAS. 

The documentation that's not very easy to find is like a patchwork of notes - so if you can honestly be shagged in reading it all - then you might even make a tiny bit of head way - but I seriously doubt it.

I was about to post an entry showing notes for a quick install - but this is definately not possible with this sack of shit. It's a real shame because I would have suggested DNN to someone wanting a flexible CMS. And it appears that their age-old problem of performance has not been looked at (man it's been years and it still performs like a sleepy snail).

I've just tried to install the source version of v4.3.4  so I can do some development.. and I've had endless hassles - firstly with the connection strings (the default format in the web.config's do not work for SQLExpress - I've had to resort to the old SQL Server2000 format - although that's really a MS problem no DNN).

Next the permissions and CAS - largely because I wanted to use development.config - in the end I had to give up with this (how on earth are people supposed to use this???).

And finally - after about 6 attempts of deleting everything and starting again... the last couple of install looked remotely like completing ok but both errored out.

What makes me laugh is that I've encountered 3 different styles of error screen - far out - it's like errors are encouraged.

Think it's time I starting looking at a php or ruby CMS.

I must admit - 2 days part time to install DNN is definately a great way to put people off the product - you just need to see the long list of hassles in their forums to know that there must be something fundamentally wrong with the installation process.

I remeber the good old days when dnn installed within minutes for downloading - what went wrong? 

I'm sure I'll eventually get it sorted out - but what's the bloody point  - wasting that much time is a definate warning that you're dealing with something somewhat dangerous and smelly.

Rant, moan, groan, bitch... and again.. what a fucking pile of stinking shit!

 

posted on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 4:33 PM

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# re: The downfall of DNN 8/25/2006 1:20 AM lb
go on, tell us what you really think ;-)

# re: The downfall of DNN 8/25/2006 10:29 AM Brian
I would have to agree...
I think that it really started going downhill when they brought in the additional projects and moved their forums to their site. It has been nothing but frustration ever since. Btw Is there a term for 'Jumping the Shark' for software?

# re: The downfall of DNN 8/25/2006 12:35 PM Tim
Well I've installed communityserver - gee that was nice and easy - it took about 15-20minutes (including waiting for the download).

# re: The downfall of DNN 8/30/2006 6:19 PM Jenn
Personally, I think DNN started to take a turn for the worse after 3.2.2. I've tried out php CMS variants like Mambo, Drupal, and phpNuke. They have their strengths, but like DNN, they can have some seriously bad issues as well.

Maybe it's time to try out Plone?

# re: The downfall of DNN 8/31/2006 3:43 AM Tim H
Sounds like you're a little upset with it. :-) I've run a mile from it recently too.

# re: The downfall of DNN 9/17/2006 6:06 AM todd.geek
3 hours into a new install and DNN (version 4) won't connect to a database - on a machine where it used to work (version 3) fine...

# re: The downfall of DNN 9/26/2007 6:49 PM DNN Expat
I initially intalled DNN 04.05.00 about a year ago, The install was hassle in its self. Anyway, I played around with it, just for creating web pages. I thought it was the best CMS i had come across, untill more recently i added various out of the box modules, none of which really worked or had errors. The voting module, the shop...

(I have to give credit for the forum module which did appear to work well)

Then it hit me how painfully slooooow every page load was. And i totally agree with you, the DNN website is so slow it makes my eyes bleed !

After much recent hassle, i deleted the lot and decided on using Zen Cart for ecommerce and PhPBB for forums... I am impressed with them so far, but i am not a Php programmer :-(

Still not put off, i decided to do a clean install of dot net nuke da da daaa... version 04.06.00 !!! (Sept 2007)

Oh man! even worse than the first instal there were errors all over the place that i wont even begin to go in to... and as you said on a few occocasion, you were close to a working installation, this happened for me also.

After at least 6-8 "deletes and re-installs" i have finally had enough... I have left Planet dot net nuke and will not return !

I am pursuing the Php solutions mentioned above and my own cooked CMS written in C# .net

</rant>

# re: The downfall of DNN 11/10/2007 11:11 AM n/a
you kiss your mom with that mouth?

# re: The downfall of DNN 11/13/2007 1:51 PM Ryan Roberts
http://www.umbraco.org/ is by far the best OS .NET CMS. Great usability, multiple methods of integration and lighting fast up to a few 10s of thousands of pages. You need to like xslt to get the full benefit of it though.

# re: The downfall of DNN 12/13/2007 6:50 AM DNN Expat
I posted a comment here re: DNN some 3 or so months ago, like a total mug that goes back to a girlfriend who treats him like crap, i went back to DNN.

After numerous attempts to get the installation right... i remembered why i got shot of this system to start with... IT IS SOOoooo SLOOOooow. In a moment i am about to delete the /DNN folder for good this time - I mean it, here goes: IT'S GONE - HOORAH! That took just two minutes to delete the whole damm thing, probably the best "tweak" i have made to Dot Net Nuke in a while :-)

Madness: The DNN folder was Approx: 2194 files in 236 folders! Oh, and not forgetting the 562 stored procs as well. Any wonder why DNN serves pages so slowly?

I appreciate the dedication, work and efforts of the DNN team, however DNN is not really suitable for my purposes.

[ Thanks to Ryan above ^ for the details about Umbraco... i installed it, but was not really thay impressed to be honest. ]

# re: The downfall of DNN 1/9/2008 9:10 AM Ismail Mayat
Tim,

Have you tried Umbraco? www.umbraco.org its like falling of a log.

# re: The downfall of DNN 3/13/2008 7:11 PM Charles
Tim,

You are correct. Avoid DNN like the plague.

# re: The downfall of DNN 10/7/2008 10:39 PM Mike Palmer - DNN Guru..
I have to say that DNN IS like the girlfriend that treats you like sh*t, but when she's good she's very good! ;-) DNN is in my opinion the best all rounder there is. She's good where it counts, but is always unfashionably late to the party!

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