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I get an email every couple of weeks from somebody that has found Where's Tim and wants me to help find their lost cell phone. I always reply nicely and tell them that it is not possible to track a random phone via GPS based on it's number or ESN.  First of all, if it was that easy to track something, I would be out of a job. Second of all, it goes against everything we believe in as far as allowing the trackee (is that a word) to be in full control of who watches them and when. Thirdly, it shows a mis-education of how GPS works. People have seen too many movies where the bad guy throws a magnetic tracking device on the back of the good guy's car and then track them down later. Those devices exist in concept, but they are bulky, expensive and you would not casually toss it at a passing car and expect the driver not to notice. Not to mention that even if you could get past the ethical dilemma of tracking somebody with out their permission, it's illegal and considered an invasion of privacy.

I'll talk more later about profitable, positive uses of real time GPS.


posted @ Sunday, August 13, 2006 11:41 AM | Filed Under [ GPS Where's Tim ]

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Gravatar # re: I can not find your lost or stolen phone with GPS
Posted by Dave Starr on 8/13/2006 1:03 PM
A good post. I've even been contacted by a TV station trying to track an 18-wheeler being used in an apparent abduction crime case. The reporter who phoned me was a little miffed that I, being in the GPS business, wasn't able to 'reach out" and locate the vehicle based on the company truck number painted on the cab.

The movies and TV have done some good, perhaps, in publicizing GPS tracking but they get the technology shockingly wrong so often that it just becomes irritating.

Not to mention that I wouldn't give a TV reporter information about anyone I did know or was able to track, anyway, but hey, that's a different story.

In the case of a lost or stolen cell phone, the carrier may be able to determine some location information ... even a cell phone with no location capabilities has to call into the network via a specific cell site and get permission across the nextwork from and to its registered carrier even to receive calls ... but this is rightly left in the hands of the carriers and one hopes law enforcement.

Sprint, as one example, got themselves into quite a bit of trouble on this issue in California a few months back ... see:
http://satviz.com/GPS_Blog/?p=53
and
http://satviz.com/GPS_Blog/?p=54
for some commentary and thoughts.
Gravatar # re: I can not find your lost or stolen phone with GPS
Posted by nadia on 2/3/2007 3:19 PM
I cant find my lost phone
Gravatar # re: I can not find your lost or stolen phone with GPS
Posted by Tim Hibbard on 2/4/2007 8:31 AM
Seriously?
Gravatar # re: I can not find your lost or stolen phone with GPS
Posted by jonah on 3/22/2007 7:19 PM
i need my phone
Gravatar # re: I can not find your lost or stolen phone with GPS
Posted by Tim Hibbard on 5/4/2007 1:10 PM
opening_123,
1) Watch your language
2) I am not a cell phone provider
3) That is creepy. Do you really want your provider to be able to flip a switch and find your phone?
4) What do kids in 1st grade have anything to do with this?
Gravatar # re: I can not find your lost or stolen phone with GPS
Posted by KGA on 6/6/2007 7:39 PM
I found a nextel i880. tried to find owner but no luck at company's lost and found. There is no sims card. Can I use it? Or can it be tracked and then I would be accused of setealing a phone. Ideas?
Gravatar # re: I can not find your lost or stolen phone with GPS
Posted by Carl on 6/21/2007 8:21 AM
Please can you track my stolen phone, I will be eternally grateful. We can talk about rewards, costing.... Imei # 357858003305018

Carl
Gravatar # re: I can not find your lost or stolen phone with GPS
Posted by Paula on 7/9/2007 11:38 PM
hi my name is paula my neighbour was cleaning my hosue and when i came back my phone was gone but i odnt have any proof that she stole it. but after wards she got alot of money. I thik she sold my phone? what should i do?
Gravatar # re: I can not find your lost or stolen phone with GPS
Posted by SG on 7/11/2007 9:51 PM
Hello, I also stumbled upon this blog in a search about using GPS to find a lost cell phone, however, I, unlike previous posters, actually read and understood your article. I hope I'll find my phone tomorrow, if not, are you _sure_ you can't find my phone with GPS? haha, just kidding. Good article, though!
Gravatar # re: I can not find your lost or stolen phone with GPS
Posted by dan on 8/4/2007 2:31 AM
my phone was stolen last week..the authorized reseller of tmobile phones (who i bought mine from) told me that he can possibly try and track it down. how is this possible? and will it just give me the location of where the phone is? how about when i actually go about trying to get the phone back from whoever stole it? can somone comment?? thanks
Gravatar # re: I can not find your lost or stolen phone with GPS
Posted by Rachel on 8/5/2007 11:40 PM
my phone was stolen tonight along with my entire purse and i feel violated... if anyone runs by a pik katana with a skull and crossbones on the back its mine and just dial 2 for "home" to let me know...

I HATE THE WORLD!!!
Gravatar # re: I can not find your lost or stolen phone with GPS
Posted by gangsta on 8/7/2007 11:33 AM
can i track my phone down even if its off
Gravatar # re: I can not find your lost or stolen phone with GPS
Posted by Mo on 9/20/2007 9:58 AM
I lost my phone too. I kept calling it, but the dick turned it off. Shit! I feel stolen, just like the phone. It was part of me.
Gravatar # re: I can not find your lost or stolen phone with GPS
Posted by annonymous on 9/27/2007 7:52 PM
Is there like any wayy i can find my stolen phone. my phone has gps...and i have the serial number...would i be able to track it down?
Gravatar # re: I can not find your lost or stolen phone with GPS
Posted by alantee on 9/29/2007 9:49 AM
and i need to find it
Gravatar # re: I can not find your lost or stolen phone with GPS
Posted by david jones on 11/7/2007 1:56 PM
I dis agree. I believe you can track a stolen GPS. It has a transponder that identifies itself to the satellit. You may not be able to find them driving down the street but you could get enough information over time to pin down a location where a suspect spends the majority of his time. A crimanl doesn't have any rights to protecting his\her location. I am sorry. If your stuff gets stolen then you can say don't track them. They took that chance when they broke the law. Are criminals to think they are not be looked for after doing something bad?
Gravatar # re: I can not find your lost or stolen phone with GPS
Posted by EDGAR CRUSE JR. on 11/29/2007 12:40 AM
I know who has my phone , just get to him before,
he has a bad day .
Gravatar # re: I can not find your lost or stolen phone with GPS
Posted by nesreen on 2/9/2008 11:06 PM
i really need my phone i dont know if its stolen or lost.please help me find it.I dont want this to be a big deal I just need my phone
Gravatar # re: I can not find your lost or stolen phone with GPS
Posted by charles campbell on 2/13/2008 5:45 PM
hey man i got my iphone stolen any ideas on how to get it back i have tried calling at&t and the cops and haven't gotten much help anything would be of use at this point
Gravatar # re: I can not find your lost or stolen phone with GPS
Posted by Frank on 3/8/2008 5:14 PM
My iphone was stolen and i really want it back what should i do
Gravatar # re: I can not find your lost or stolen phone with GPS
Posted by A different Carl on 3/31/2008 12:03 PM
OMG, the comments... Hahahahaha! I'm both blown away and highly entertained at the same time.

Especially David Jones... do you honestly think that you sound intelligent?

Wow, just... wow.

BTW - Where's Tim... very cool.
Gravatar # re: I can not find your lost or stolen phone with GPS
Posted by JPS on 4/9/2008 9:00 PM
Wow, I work for a company that builds wifi, bluetooth technologies/semiconductors. In this time 04/2008 it is absolutely possible to track devices such as Iphones and standard cell phones that continually send beacons to maintain signals. (I got 4 bars). So many people may give an opinion but they are what they are. Opinions.... Maybe this software dude may want to re-examine where we are at with our technologies. It is not about just GPS although that can be done, but where signals are passed from signal tower to signal tower. Yeah the first guy is probably out of business at this point.
Gravatar # need software to track lost phone
Posted by lwazi on 5/5/2008 5:23 AM
Hi!

please help i need a software that can help me track my nokia N76

Thank you
Gravatar # re: I can not find your lost or stolen phone with GPS
Posted by Andre on 5/14/2008 6:36 AM
We had a similar situation but with a happy end at Wizi. Our developer left her mobile phone in a cab and just noticed it later. Once she had Wizi on, she used a friend's phone to track her device. The result was a cab chase in Lisbon during 30 minutes until finally they found the driver parked at a taxi stand.

Of course the situation is different. Wizi is a location based social network where you can share your location with your friends. You only can track your friends with the application running and when they give you permission to see them.

You can also manage the permissions in the website (in case your phone is lost) but you will need the application to be on.

The full story at wizi blog:
http://wizi.com/blogs/wiziblog/archive/2008/05/13/chasing-a-cab-in-lisbon-powered-by-wizi.aspx
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