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Finally, at long last, after much encouragement from others, and much discouragement in trying to modify Microsoft Windows SharePoint Services, I have decided to begin my blog.

I remember my first experience at Web development.  It began with .NET.  I never had the pleasure of using classic asp; for that matter, I didn't even know HTML!  As I began developing in .NET I often heard FrontPage mentioned, but it seemed to be a “dirty word“.  “Real developers don't do FrontPage“.  With all I had to learn, I was glad to find something I did NOT have to learn *whew*, so I dove into .NET and Web development like a “real“ developer should and never once opened FrontPage.

A while ago, I began working with WSS.  “It can be used right out of the box, no coding is necessary“.  This seemed like a great way to introduce using a methodology to some project leaders that had never heard of RUP, Use Cases etc.  I discovered it was easy to throw some sites up (the more I worked with the sites I created, the more it looked like I had literally thrown them up).  Lists were just as easy.  Then I decided I wanted to “tweak” some things.  Once again, I read and hear, “don't use FrontPage, it will cause your pages to be unghosted and problems will follow“.  Cool - still don't need to learn FrontPage.  I soon discover that modifications usually means, delete everything you've done and do it over.  That was ok for the first few times; it gives much practice and reinforces learning.  After several times though; even this old girl didn't want to practice any more.  Back to reading and learning I go.  I soon discover that to truly modify WSS, one must use FrontPage.  The beginning lines of the chapters - “we assume you are competent in the use of FrontPage, this book does not cover learning Front Page”.  But.. I thought I wasn't supposed to be using FrontPage.  Turns out, I do need FrontPage to modify WSS.  Today, there was an ice storm, and I spent the entire day creating a project template for our organization and list templates to go with it.  I now know how to copy and paste in FrontPage; but do I need to know more?  Do I need to learn how to be a “not for real“ developer before I can become a “real” developer?  Will I ever be a “real” developer?  Do I even want to be a “real” developer? 

In my next few posts, I will share some of the things I discovered about WSS as I created a “standard project site“ and the associated lists.  If you have used WSS without integrating with Project Server to help manage projects, let me hear from you.

 

 

posted on Thursday, December 15, 2005 4:27 PM

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# re: Windows SharePoint Services: FrontPage - Need to know or not? 12/15/2005 5:56 PM Chris Williams
annnnd welcome to GWB!! It's about time! :)

# re: Windows SharePoint Services: FrontPage - Need to know or not? 12/16/2005 7:02 AM Brian
As a "real" developer, I too have shied away from FrontPage. In the past this was because FrontPage tended to mangle the html into an unrecognizable mess and was typically used by neophytes who thought they were programmers after 5 hours running through a tutorial. Recently, I used FrontPage to do layout work and some other simple stuff. I was surprised to see how far it has come. So, don't worry about whether or not it makes you a "real" programmer - just remember that FrontPage is just one of the many tools available and if it works for you and makes you more productive then that's great and nothing else really matters.

# re: Windows SharePoint Services: FrontPage - Need to know or not? 12/16/2005 10:31 AM Michael Van Cleave

I am in the same boat learning more and more about WSS and SPS, and from what I have found out is that there are some instances where you have not choice but to use FrontPage. One that is on the top of my head is that you cannot make certain Web Part Communication connections with out the use of the Front Page communication connection wizard.

I am not a huge fan of Front Page, and think that it sucks that I have to use it in some instances, but like Brian said, if that is what it takes, then just do it.

Hope this helps.

# re: Windows SharePoint Services: FrontPage - Need to know or not? 12/16/2005 1:08 PM Codesailor
I am frustrated with the whole WSS programming model. This needs a custom Web part, that needs an off-the-shelf Web part, the other needs FrontPage, do something else with DataViews. I find it very frustrating at times to ensure that I have the correct permissions to make modifications to the correct files from the correct source using the correct data in order to make a usable list.

Don't get me wrong, I really like the functionality available out of the box in WSS. I think it's cool. I just think the development techniques have a way to go before they are streamlined.

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