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Nautical Terminology: Mind Your P's and Q's

There are few of us who at one time or another have not been admonished to "mind our P's and Q's," or in other words, to behave our best.  Oddly enough, "mind your P's and Q's" had nautical beginnings as a method of keeping books on the waterfront.

In the days of sail when Sailors were paid a pittance, seamen drank their ale in taverns whose keepers were willing to extend credit until payday.  Since many salts were illiterate, keepers kept a tally of pints and quarts consumed by each Sailor on a chalkboard behind the bar.  Next to each person's name, a mark was made under "P" for pint or "Q" for quart whenever a seaman ordered another draught.

On payday, each seaman was liable for each mark next to his name, so he was forced to "mind his P's and Q's" or he would get into financial trouble.  To ensure an accurate count by unscrupulous keepers, Sailors had to keep their wits and remain somewhat sober.  Sobriety usually ensured good behavior, hence the meaning of "mind your P's and Q's."

Print | posted on Saturday, April 03, 2004 5:14 PM | Filed Under [ Day Job & Etc. ]

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Thanks! - everyone at the office thinks I know everything! (it's an age thing) Now I can pretend I really do!
10/21/2004 9:40 AM | lillie
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# re: Nautical Terminology: Mind Your P's and Q's

And what time frame would this have been in?
Thank you?
12/12/2004 9:14 AM | Curious?
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Curious: Likely in the 1600s and 1700s.
12/12/2004 12:16 PM | Mark
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thanks,
My son was asking the meaning. This is something his teacher says.
3/23/2005 9:45 AM | Barb
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thanks. my boyfriend says this all the time and gets mad at me when i ask what it actually stands for (because he doesn't know)... i'll have to let him know.
4/24/2005 3:12 PM | Kelly
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Actually, this is only one of many explanations. The one I think most likely is that it was an admonition to typesetters not to mix up the "p" and "q" blocks, as a block that looks like a lower-case "p" from the front, would print a "q" on paper, and visa versa. Others say it was simply short for "please" and "thank you", which would make since because the phrase means to mind your manners. But the drunken sailor story is a good one too!
5/11/2005 5:08 PM | Ben
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The Printing block was formatted with rows of letters placed on the block individually by the operator…the typesetter… it was an admonition to typesetters not to mix up the "p" and "q" blocks, as a block that looks like a lower-case "p" from the front, would print a "q" on paper, and visa versa.

There are a number of other explanations and real examples when this was used in history. If we examine the era that these examples are from, it is likely that we will find eras after or during the middle ages…when the printing press was invented -1450. After the printing press was developed, it stoked intellectual fires at the end of the Middle Ages, helping usher in an era of enlightenment. This great cultural rebirth was inspired by widespread access to and appreciation for classical art and literature, and these translated into a renewed passion for artistic expression. Without the development of the printing press, the Renaissance may never have happened. Without inexpensive printing to make books available to a large portion of society. And with out books available there was no motivation or real reason to know how to read. And without a wide spread ability to ready there is no logical explanation as to why people would have used terminology relating to letters.

9/14/2005 9:33 AM | Mike
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This http://alt-usage-english.org/excerpts/fxmindyo.html actually lists several possibilities, as well as one quoted from a dictionary.
6/4/2006 6:28 PM | cesoid
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Your explanation didn't have the ring of truth to me, sailors didn't have paydays.
They were paid once when they made port, as a fraction of the ship's company.
10/3/2006 7:04 AM | Max Ackerman
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@Max: Ah, but crews were not held to a specific ship. They were unemployed between trips and got a portion of their voyage wages when they signed on to their next ship -- their payday.
10/3/2006 6:04 PM | Mark
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The printing arguement for the derivation of the expression seems the weakest to me. The letters 'p' and 'q' are used far less frequently in the english language than the letters 'b' and 'd' (just look at the lower value awarded in Scrabble to 'b' and 'd'). I would have thought if printing was the origin then the idiom would have developed as "Mind your b's and d's" as they would be more likely to be mistakenly used for each other.
8/19/2007 8:05 AM | Pete
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To say the origin of this phrase is nautical is a fanciful notion. In fact no one really knows for sure the origin of this old phrase. Several have been submitted for the approval of both the layman and the scholar and some have been disproven while others can niether be disproven nor substantiated. In my humble opinion, the most likely origin is twofold. Since it is generally accepted that the phrase means to be on one's best behavior, it can be reasoned that it was originally advice for a child. Since learning to wirite, children often confused letters p and q, it was often corrected. Of course this can also be said of b and d which brings in the second part of the origin. Children were also often taught to be polite and quiet in the presence of adults. Polite and quiet just happen to correspond with p and q, so the phrase grew from there. To mind one's p's and q's is not only to be on one's best behavior, but also to be mindful of one's actions so as not to make an embarrasing public mistake.
Peace, all.
10/9/2008 5:59 PM | Deke101
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The printing press explanation seems to hold the most weight because the p and q were not as widely used in the english language than the b or d, so the person working the press had less practice with placing them. This resulted in higher frequency in character placement error with p and q.
3/22/2009 12:38 PM | Dave
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When I was going to high school the term was thrown at us in typing class.
P and Q being the further reach for each pinkie finger on a common QWERTY keyboard.
6/24/2009 12:29 PM | Ed
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