RE: The time for high gas prices is now...

(This was actually meant to be a comment to Alex's post.  Surprisingly trying to submit my very simple response below didn't work!!!  I tried everything I could think of, removing the dollar signs and other punctuation, etc.  Makes me wonder how many legitimate comments I miss out on in my posts.)  With that, here's Alex's words:

Unless you don't like science (defined here as knowledge derived through observation and experimentation) and would prefer to live in the Dark Ages, it should be clear that humans can't continue polluting Earth without severe consequences.  There are several kinds of people in this world: those who believe that non-cyclic global warming is happening (whether they care or not); those who know nothing about it because they're too concerned with their own lives (rightly or wrongly); those who believe that the current warming is part of a natural cycle because that's what they were told; and those who believe that the current warming is part of a natural cycle because they (a) don't want to deal with the decrease in standard of living necessary to sustain life on Earth, or (b) have actually been convinced by a segment of data that makes things seem unclear.  Need I remind this last group that things are rarely 100% certain in science?

Now that we've established that burning fossil fuels causes an increase in carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, and that science has led probably 99% of  "experts" to believe strongly that increased carbon dioxide has resulted in global warming, why is it so hard for government representatives--especially those who call themselves environmentalists--to understand that while low gasoline prices are great for the expansion of the economy, both in the U.S. and worldwide, they may be one of the worst things possible for the human race, not to mention every other living thing on the planet?  Maybe they do understand it, but they know that if people don't have jobs, they won't re-elect incumbents.  They probably also realize, to their credit, that high gas prices hit the poor a lot harder than they hit the wealthy (even if a company goes out of business because of high petrol prices, the executives are still a lot more likely to land on their feet than those at the bottom).

I agree completely.  Plus I think that the economy will expand in different ways if there were high fuel prices.  The real long-term cost is so much higher than what we pay at the pump, even at $3 to $5 a gallon.

If we give poor people cheap petrol then what happens?  They try to come up with the money necessary to afford a vehicle, and idle away in traffic for a couple of hours a day, further clogging what is already an over-extended system.  I guess being out on the road gives them something to do.  But if we instead have high gas prices then we can work together to implement light rail, subways, and other truly useful means to make the world more effective.  Perhaps the bigger cities in developing nations could then skip past the unproductive step of having their entire transportation infrastructure rendered almost useless twice daily.  I hate American rush hour.  But I love visiting Japan and Europe where it's so easy and cheap to get around on the train.


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# re: RE: The time for high gas prices is now...

Thanks Lorin. I'll see if I can figure out why people are having trouble leaving comments. Did you get any error messages? 1/19/2007 7:34 AM | Alex

# re: RE: The time for high gas prices is now...

I'm with you on this one, Lorin.

I lived in Berlin for 26 months in '71-'73, and the transit system was wonderful. I laughed the first time I looked at a bus schedule and saw times of 8:11, 8:21, 8:31... but dang, that sucker was there with the door open at that time!

I'd love to take a train or a bus to work and leave my truck at home, but there's absolutely no way to get from Deer Valley to South Scottsdale via ANY public transit, unless you pack a lunch and make it a day-off adventure.

Even getting from Deer Valley to the Camelback Corridor... I checked when I worked down there and if I made ALL the connections just right, I could leave something like 5AM to get to work by 8, and then if I ran out the door at 5, and there were no delays, I'd be catching the very last buses all the way up and get home about 6:30, and that's unacceptable. 1/19/2007 8:03 AM | Dave

# re: RE: The time for high gas prices is now...

Looking at the busses in Tucson, I suspect they belch out far more dangerous pollutants in a day than my Acura Integra (or for that matter, a dozen Chevy Suburbans), do in a year.

Japan and Europe have world class public transportation...and even then, their roads are as clogged with cars as ours. 2/2/2007 1:13 PM | Steve F.

# re: RE: The time for high gas prices is now...

Steve -- have you actually been to Japan? In Tokyo during rush-hour there are a fair number of cars out, but overall many, many more bicycles and even more people on the trains. And as a result it's incredibly quiet. When you're one block away from a major roadway you can't hear any traffic. Totally uncanny. No stop-and-go to contend with like the insanity we deal with out here in Arizona. I love it over there.

Busses, while not nearly as efficient as trains, get around 5 mpg. So as long as the bus averages 5 people on it throughout the day, it's more fuel efficient than your Acura. (But it does take flippin' forever to get anywhere on them.)

Subways and other light rail are really the holy grail since they're way-efficient, and it's faster to get around on them than it is to drive. I wish more Americans could catch that vision. 2/4/2007 5:50 PM | Lorin Thwaits

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