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Thoughts on President Reagan and the fall of Communism in Hungary

Neil Hetzel originally posted on this and reading it made me think about things. His post is here.

The government, a lot like the military, operates on “need to know” and most politicians believe much of the American public doesn't 'need to know' certain information. All Presidents of this country have to develop this type of behavior. It could lead to 'widespread panic' or some other term officials in power use to try to believe that by telling us everything, it'll make us hate the government.

This is most likely true though. Our government has done wonderful things in our name, yet has the balls not to tell us why the rest of the world hates us. They know why, they just don't want to reveal our dirty little secrets because they believe the American public will hate the government right along with everyone else.

Reagen was a great man. I didn't want to go on this government rant but I believe Reagen had to endure this too. I bet he had to lie outright to the American public on more than one occasion because 'someone' in 'power' 'believed' that telling us 'everything' would be a 'threat to national security'. I don't hold Reagen accountable for that, he did make some wonderful decisions but he also made some poor ones based one the same 'someone' in 'power'. (Think Star Wars, that was a great idea)

On a weird twist of fate, my father went to high school with the man that shot Ronald Reagen: John Hinckley, Jr. My father doesn't remember much of him other than the fact that he was a loner, which you can read in any newspaper about the incident.

The real meat of the post is communism in Hungary. Russia on it's way out from Germany had a stop over in Hungary and much of the nations surrounding Germany.

Snippet 1:
Anyone who believes that Russian Communism was anything less than an “evil empire” might change their mind when listening to stories told by those who lived through the brutality and pure inhumanity of the Russian occupation of Hungary. In 1945, Russian troops wandered the streets of Budapest looting and destroying nearly every structure they came in contact with. Pedestrians were routinely arrested for no reason only to have their valuables and sometimes their identity papers stolen. Rape was so common place that most of the women of Budapest had been raped (reports put the age ranges between 10-70 years old) and many women committed suicide rather than suffer that fate.

Snippet 2:
As the invasion closed and the iron curtain fell again on Hungary these last words were recorded from a still free radio station.

“Civilized people of the world: On the watch tower of 1000-year-old Hungary, the last flames begin to go out. The Soviet army is attempting to crush our troubled hearts. Their tanks and guns are roaring over Hungarian soil…Please do not forget that this wild attack of Bolshevism will not stop. You may be the next victim. Save us, SOS, SOS…”

“Show that the United Nations can carry out its will and by its resolutions declare that our country shall again be free. We appeal to your conscience and call on you to act immediately…”

“People of Europe, whom we defended once against the attacks of Asiatic barbarians, listen now to the alarm bells ringing from Hungary. Civilized people of the world, in the name of liberty and solidarity, we are asking you to help. Our ship is sinking. The light vanishes. The shadows grow darker from hour to hour. Listen to our cry. Start moving. Extend to us brotherly hands…God be with you and with us.”

Russia was allowed to do whatever it wanted to an already tormented country. Hungary suffered under Hitler, and they were about to turn right around and suffer all over again.

I asked 2 questions:

  1. Why did I not hear about this in any history book? I would remember something this bad
  2. Why did our government, and the world do nothing about it?

Question #1 will probably never be answered. It may have been a brief paragraph in a history book in high school on WWII but nothing that stood out as much as Neil's post. Question #2 wasn't answered in the post, but I did some digging on-line and I found an excellent summary of what happened here.

Snippet 1:
FDR encouraged Churchill to agree to the occupation zones because Roosevelt wanted the USSR's aid in the war against Japan and also he did not want to jeopardize his vision of the United Nations, an international peacekeeping group, by upsetting a powerful leader.

Snippet 2:
After the buffer zone concessions, the USSR and United States became the two world superpowers and were in direct competition. The US did not act out against the USSR when they took Eastern Europe because Congress voted on a Policy of Containment. The United States planned on "containing" Communism where it already was by not allowing it to spread, however they would not act on the existing communist nations.

Turns out this Policy of Containment basically said “Hey Russia, you can do whatever you want including rape, plundering, and killing innocent people. We don't mind, go right ahead if it means you'll be good to us later”.

I was pissed about all of this but I began to think about it a little more. Russia is useless as a nation, only a shell of it's former self. After the Cold War ended, Russia was rendered pretty much obsolete. Either way, they are getting what they deserve if not immediately it did work itself out. You really do reap what you sow.

Now onto the U.N. All I can say to this is screw the U.N. FDR let innocent people die for an idea, which today is merely a joke. The U.N. was founded by letting a government body kill innocent people. It's no surprise now why they let Saddam rape, torture, and kill his own people after the Gulf War of the 90s. The picture is slowly becoming more clear now.

I'm glad President W. Bush decided to invade Iraq. I don't need WMDs to justify getting rid of Saddam. I didn't need the World Trade Center disintegrating before I knew what needed to be done. The events immediately following the Gulf War justify us removing him. I'm glad someone finally did it because it was long overdue. Thank you Mr. Bush.

In our Declaration of Independence is the sentence: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

It is our duty as a nation and as human beings, to make sure everyone in the world is given these same basic rights. We can't sit by, just watch things unfold and hope for the best like we did with the USSR. We have to act swiftly and accordingly to all human rights violations. Everyone in this world should be given the same chance at life but sadly, many are not. It's not just the “Christian” thing to do, or the “right” thing to do, it's the “human” thing to do. We're all humans, lets try to act like it for once? Maybe it's not possible but I'd like to think it is.

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Print | posted on Tuesday, June 15, 2004 2:20 AM | Filed Under [ Living on planet Earth ]

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# re: Thoughts on President Reagan and the fall of Communism in Hungary

Hi,

Thanks for the mention. I really do appreciate it. I'm glad to get a little bit of info about Hungary out there. I really love that country.

I just wanted to help explain the containment policy a bit. The real architect of that policy was General Eisenhower. Eisenhower sold the idea to both FDR and Churchill.

The reality was that after WWII neither the UK nor the US had the resources or the willpower/support at home to take the fight Russia. The same was true of the USSR. I believe that Eisenhower, FDR and Churchill all knew that the Soviets would eventually have to be dealt with but there was no way they could deal with them at the close of WWII. So, the policy of Containment essentially cut Europe in half and the Cold War began. The UN's purpose was heavily tied to the policy of containment. I don't denounce FDR, Churchill or Eisenhower for containment. It was the best we could do at the time. This however, is very little consolation to the Budapesti women who were raped or the thousands killed in the re-subjugation of Hungary.

When the '56 rebellion took place in Hungary there *were* US congressional leaders who called for the support of the rebellion and denounced our inaction in the wells of the house and senate. By that time, 11 years after the close of WWII, the population of the US had no appetite for war. No one wanted WWIII.

So, containment was a necessary evil at the time and the UN did have a purpose back then.

However, I do agree with you that the UN's purpose since the close of the Cold-War is, shall we say, murky? And I too am glad that President Bush 43 took action in Iraq.

-Neil







6/16/2004 3:24 PM | Neil
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# re: Thoughts on President Reagan and the fall of Communism in Hungary

Now I simply don't question why the world hates us any more. Little "incidents" like this spread out over time has lead to a deep hatred of this country as well as countless other attrocities done "in our name" by our government "for the people, by the people."

I still consider the generation great. They sacrificed so much for us. I just now have lost a little bit of respect for them. Most people could care less what I think or feel and that's perfectly fine. I'm not going to sugar coat it and give them the full respect they don't really deserve. They screwed up, big time, though I suspect they felt they had no other choice. It's not good enough for me but then again I didn't live back then. I didn't have most of my family killed in WWII. But I also didn't have my wife or daughter raped and executed by the Russians.

Anyhow I'm not really bent about it. I believe in God but I also believe in what others refer to as karma. Life has a way of balancing itself out and the Bible is true about the sins of the father being inflicted on the son. This is why I try not to enact any type of revenge or seek my own retribution. If I wait long enough, I get to see it come full circle with my own two eyes. This, coupled with the fact that I know people will get to answer for their deeds in Heaven, makes revenge useless. I don't blame God for karma though like some probably would. I consider it a law equal in necessity and effect as gravity. It's like a traffic light on the highway of decency. It may suck when you have to stop, but it's better than just running into the other drivers on the road.
6/16/2004 6:16 PM | Jeremy Brayton
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# re: Thoughts on President Reagan and the fall of Communism in Hungary

I also meant to trackback but I forgot to. I don't know much of .Text outside of posting. I'll do better next time.

I also subscribe to your stuff so I'm bound to link again I'm sure. I particularly liked your "Go Lean Poopoo" post. Priceless.
6/16/2004 6:20 PM | Jeremy Brayton
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# re: Thoughts on President Reagan and the fall of Communism in Hungary

awsome report
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