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New MSN Messenger vulnerability: An open letter to the MSN Messenger group(s)

For those of you, like me who use MSN Messenger and subscribe to Microsoft's Security Bulletin you were probably sent an email message yesterday saying how there is a new vulnerability in MSN Messenger 6.0 and 6.1.

If you missed the bulletin here it is for your web viewing pleasure: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/msnmar04.mspx

I figure that this vulnerability is a little hard to exploit but I should update my version just to be safe. Since anyone can read any file on my computer (read only not write or edit) and that they have to know the exact name, I thought it would be a pretty harmless hack but there are important files on all of my computers that I don't want people to see. There usually aren't any important windows system files I worry about but you can never be too careful.

So I go and click on the update link figuring there would be this very small update probably fixing just a small amount of code. The upgrade link sends me to the full download page where I get to download the entire 5 megs again. This isn't a problem for me because I'm on a T1 here at work or DSL at home but what if I was on a 56k connection? Why in the hell would I want to download the entire package again?


Recently Rory over at neopoleon.com posted something on his personal problems with the IM client titled An open letter to Microsoft. The title doesn't mention that he is having a problem with Windows Messenger, the messaging client installed by default on Windows XP.

Apparently what happens is when you install MSN Messenger you have actually both the Windows Messenger and MSN Messenger on the same computer. Windows Messenger most likely ties in closely with Exchange messaging services (2000, 2003) so that corporate types can use Windows Messenger as their IM platform rather than the old Winpopup.exe method (pheer my 98 knowledge) or some 3rd party messenger (our company currently uses Vypress Messenger http://www.vypress.com). One downfall to uninstalling Windows Messenger is that Remote Assistance doesn't work afterwards. I don't personally use Remote Assistance but many of my co-workers will. If I'm not mistaken I have to also have it installed and functional to be able to 'talk' to my co-workers but I haven't invested too much into this yet as not everyone is up to 2000/XP.

What hasn't been mentioned is that MSN Messenger 6 installs to a different location than 5, which I currently still have on my computer. Microsoft didn't bother to tell me that installing version 6.x would leave 5 and break the damned uninstaller for 5. To put it simply I have both versions on my machine when I only need 1. How do I go about fixing it? Probably some weird registry hack when it would have been far simpler to uninstall version 5 before I ever put 6 on here. I guess that's my problem for actually using MSN Messenger since 4.8 decided to come out.

My uncle worked at Microsoft for a good couple of years so I understand much of it's inner workings. I do know that for the most part, whole companies work on different aspects of Microsoft products. My uncle's 'company' (for lack of a better word) worked on Netmeeting and did a lot of the technology that goes into it. From this example I can realize that the makers of MSN Messenger are in a 'company' as well with their own views and opinions on their product. Microsoft offers Windows Updates which update certain bits of code as needed and do not require you to download the full Windows XP with extra components added so why would the MSN Messenger team think that downloading the entire product again is a better solution?

I don't know I guess I'm a little anal about my computer. If I don't need 2 versions of something, I simply don't want it. I realize that I will probably need Windows Messenger so I will keep it even though I sometimes get that mixed up with MSN Messenger. I don't like having to manually remove version 5 because the newer installer doesn't seem to pick up that I have the old version and removes it for me. MSN Messenger 5.x used to prompt me every other month or so about updates and would then download and install them all from the client. Now with 6.1 I'm forced back into the world of manual updates where I have to go to the website, re-download the entire client, uninstall the previous client (to prevent any more 5.x to 6.x mishaps) then install the client yet again. Why for the love of God must I do this? I thought Microsoft software has progressed beyond this?

An open letter to the MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger group(s):

Please don't tease me with wonderful self-updating technology and then take it away from me like that. Also let me know up front if your new version will coexist with the old version so that I can remove it safely ahead of time. If a patch wouldn't have solved the problem then bringing back the self-updating feature of MSN would be cool. I may have to sit there for a couple of minutes while the entire MSN Messenger package downloads again but at least it saves me from having to go to the website and do it myself. I didn't have to do that with version 5.x so why should I have to now?

Print | posted on Wednesday, March 10, 2004 2:43 PM | Filed Under [ Information Technology ]

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# re: New MSN Messenger vulnerability: An open letter to the MSN Messenger group(s)

I guess that the MSN team assumed that people would realize that Windows Messenger and MSN Messenger are not the same thing. Apparently they were wrong (we all know what happens when one assumes, right?).

MSN Messenger is to Windows Messenger as MSN Explorer is to Internet Explorer. I guess they need to make this more obvious.
3/10/2004 6:50 PM | Shannon J Hager
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# re: New MSN Messenger vulnerability: An open letter to the MSN Messenger group(s)

i wana use my old version plz.
so my msn is not signing ig ..i m worruied solve my problem plz
i willl b very thakfull 2 u!!
4/13/2004 12:26 PM | rabbia babar
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# re: New MSN Messenger vulnerability: An open letter to the MSN Messenger group(s)

I have the same problem. I installed MSN messenger 6.1 (God knows what prompted me to) and now I cannot uninstall the 5.0 version. I just want to remove it! I stumbled upon your entry while searching for a way to do that.

Have you been able to remove MSN messenger 5.0?
6/8/2004 9:30 AM | Popcorn
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# how to uninstall your old windows messanger safely

To uninstall it safely.. all you do is go to start and run
and then copy and paste this into the run line
RunDll32 advpack.dll,LaunchINFSection %windir%\INF\msmsgs.inf,BLC.Remove

A box will pop up.. Asking you do you really want to remove msn messanger
You click yes. and it will ask you to reboot..
And wallaaaaaaaaa it is gone..
Hope this helps you
9/3/2004 11:04 AM | Lisa King
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# re: New MSN Messenger vulnerability: An open letter to the MSN Messenger group(s)

Hey... Ive been trying to fix my msn for days.. I tried installing older versions and newer versions.. I can uninstall every version BUTT msn 6.1 .. .. I tried the run command .. And that doesnt work.. Is there any other way I can uninstall this from my computer? Its preventing me from downloading any other version of msn!! HELP!!!
2/14/2005 2:37 AM | Stephanie
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# re: New MSN Messenger vulnerability: An open letter to the MSN Messenger group(s)

i have been tring to install msn messanger on to my computer but which ever version i install, it says i should install the laterst version but the latest version does not work on my computer. how can i get around this problem?

PLEASE HELP!!!
2/17/2005 5:51 PM | violator
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# uninstalling windows messanger

********* PLEASE HELP!!! ***************
Can some 1 please tell me how to Un-Install windows Messanger completely from Windows XP/.
I have tried all registry tweaks but in Vain. Please help
3/11/2005 10:45 AM | zaran
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# re: New MSN Messenger vulnerability: An open letter to the MSN Messenger group(s)

i like pudding
3/13/2005 7:48 PM | Prattasha
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# re: New MSN Messenger vulnerability: An open letter to the MSN Messenger group(s)

i wanna download msn messanger now and i wanna have a report when it finish download.
4/5/2005 2:26 PM | aya
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# re: New MSN Messenger vulnerability: An open letter to the MSN Messenger group(s)

This is riduculous.......can't load msn and have been 2 weeks trying to load 6.2 and now NOTHING WORKS! what is going on???????
4/5/2005 7:17 PM | Krys
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# re: New MSN Messenger vulnerability: An open letter to the MSN Messenger group(s)

why cant anyone use the old version off msn cos the new one is terrible
i just wany use the old one again please its so much easier to use than the new version talk about security problems ive had none ever before on msn can someone help me i wany use the old version again please.
plaease help.
4/18/2005 6:40 AM | old version
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# re: New MSN Messenger vulnerability: An open letter to the MSN Messenger group(s)

i want to dowload 6.0 too!! i cant find it either
5/1/2005 6:32 PM | ashli
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# Can somebody please help? I don't know what I'm doing

Ok, my friend thought that we could use MSN much more easily than writing letters on AOL and reciving them about a week later. I already use MSN and which I ... think, is a new one but it is my brother's, so I have no idea how he set it all up. Please, please help because I am totally RUBBISH at understanding how to install/uninstall and I know that there are some clever brainiacts out there who CAN. Thnx for hearing me out. Please reply!
P.S im on window xp if that matters
5/16/2005 4:11 PM | Hanibal
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# MSN 7.0!

I HAVE WINDOWS 98 AND IT WONT LET ME DOWNLOAD MSN 7.0 ALL MY FRIENDZ HAVE IT THERE MUST BE A WAY ROUND THIS??!!??
5/27/2005 8:16 AM | KEL
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# re: New MSN Messenger vulnerability: An open letter to the MSN Messenger group(s)

its good
6/17/2005 2:02 AM | ahwan
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# re: New MSN Messenger vulnerability: An open letter to the MSN Messenger group(s)

i cant download any msn! help!!
7/31/2005 1:17 PM | help!
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# re: New MSN Messenger vulnerability: An open letter to the MSN Messenger group(s)

all my friends have got it and they hav da same computa as me double help! help! help!
7/31/2005 1:19 PM | help!
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# re: New MSN Messenger vulnerability: An open letter to the MSN Messenger group(s)

I hate the new Version MSN 7.5 how do I get 7.0 back?
9/24/2005 7:32 PM | Nina Poe
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# re: New MSN Messenger vulnerability: An open letter to the MSN Messenger group(s)

I am very aggertavited. When my husband redone our computer and downloaded my MSN Messenger back it come up as New Version 7.5 and I hate it. How can i get the 7.0 back?
9/24/2005 7:36 PM | Nina Poe
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# re: New MSN Messenger vulnerability: An open letter to the MSN Messenger group(s)

Thats why everyone should stick to Windows Messenger, Pretend MSN dont exist and....no more problems!!!
9/29/2005 3:57 PM | Anonymous
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# re: New MSN Messenger vulnerability: An open letter to the MSN Messenger group(s)

Why or why can I install this msn messenger? I started to learn this conputer stuff and now this!!! I keep getting the same window to instal the NEW VERSION but when it finishes, it askes me AGAIN! Why? Someone please let me know in plain ENGLISH! Thank you so much!
10/14/2005 9:58 AM | gothictany
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# re: New MSN Messenger vulnerability: An open letter to the MSN Messenger group(s)

i am using outlook express and everytime i open outlook it opens an old version of msn messenger...i looked in the help section of outlook and it shows me how to disable it but it still opens up. how do i uninstall an old version of msn messenger?? and its not in my add remove programs...arhhh!!!
10/21/2005 12:27 AM | mrsjam
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