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So I’ve been reading the posts about installing Vista Beta 1 on VMware since my initial post and observations on the evening it was released.  What puzzles me is the requirement everyone seems to throw around of having to partition and format with a Windows XP disk or running diskpart from a recovery console.  Unless I’m in a bubble or happen to have “special bits” (read: not likely) this just isn’t necessary to install Vista Beta 1 on VMware v5 build 13124. 

Here’s how to get it done using only the Vista installer.

  • First, create yourself a new VM in VMware with a new “raw” virtual disk.  Attach your Vista Beta 1 DVD and start ‘er up.
  • Now, make your way through the installer until you are faced with the Hard Disk selection screen.  You don’t have to click anything other than Next to make it here since the new “raw” disk file is empty and without partitions.  The installer will guide you here automatically.
  • Right underneath the disk graphic you’ll see a New button.  Click this and select the max size (or whatever you like, I only tested with max) for the partition and click Ok.
  • Now, you can click Format if you want then click next on the popup screen but it just won’t do anything.  The thing to do now is REBOOT
  • Since VMware BIOS defaults to Hard Disk before CD in boot order you will now either have to change the boot order or hit ESC for a boot menu.  Select your CD drive and let the Vista install load.
  • Now, as you click Next through the installer you’ll find yourself once again at the Hard Disk screen.  Just click NEXT, not format or anything else, just NEXT.

The installer will now continue on and format and install Vista.  All without Windows XP disks or recovery consoles.  I’ve done this several times and it works every time.  I just did it again while writing this post. 

The question you may ask is: Is this really that different than pressing SHIFT-F12 during the Vista install and using DISKPART?  No, I don't suppose but it is easier IMO to just use the installer than trying to use DISKPART from a recovery console.  Be your own judge.

Now, installing it on VPC or Virtual Server is a whole different story, and not as easy.  I’m a VMware guy myself and while I could talk about installing it on Virtual Server I’ll save that one for someone else.

If you don't get your question answered here or are having a specific problem please feel free to browse this site further or check out the Windows Vista Beta 1 forum courtesy of the South Central Indiana .NET Users Group.

If you’re just getting into Virtual Machines or want a compelling reason to go one way or another take a look at VMware’s new VMTN program.  Their VMware Technology Network (VMTN) provides the subscriber with almost all of their virtual machine products like Workstation, ESX Server, GSX Server etc. on a limited “development” only license.  Now, honestly I only use VMware for development.  I know that some, or lots actually, use ESX or GSX server for virtualization of their servers and in that case this is not for you.  If you develop on virtual machines and want to use them in a development / testing environment then you really need to check them out.  I first heard of the program at TechEd and signed up the very next week.

Posted on Sunday, July 31, 2005 12:17 AM Software , Windows Vista | Back to top


Comments on this post: Windows Vista Beta 1 - Raw hard disks and VMware v5 build 13124, Why are you using Windows XP to format them?

# re: Windows Vista Beta 1 - Raw hard disks and VMware v5 build 13124, Why are you using Windows XP to format them?
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i get unavailable disk every time i use a new 'raw' disk. what size and type of disk are you using?
Left by sean on Jul 31, 2005 2:37 AM

# re: Windows Vista Beta 1 - Raw hard disks and VMware v5 build 13124, Why are you using Windows XP to format them?
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I use the default disk that VMware v5 b13124 provides when you select Longhorn (experimental).

It creates a SCSI disk and I usually make all my VMs at 35GB and not pre-allocated.

I just now tried it with an IDE disk and it worked just the same as above.
Left by Eric Hammersley on Jul 31, 2005 8:39 AM

# re: Windows Vista Beta 1 - Raw hard disks and VMware v5 build 13124, Why are you using Windows XP to format them?
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Ok now, i've dealed with all partitioning and formating with no problem. Bun on "Windows is installing" screen i get popup with following text: Setup was unable to locate a locally attached hard drive suitable for holding temporary setup files.
And it crashes the installation proccess.
Left by pizard on Aug 02, 2005 12:15 AM

# re: Windows Vista Beta 1 - Raw hard disks and VMware v5 build 13124, Why are you using Windows XP to format them?
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The best I can offer at the moment is disk space. Increase yours and see if it helps. The other posts I've seen about this error all hint at diskspace. I'm going to try and recreate this today. I'll post my results.
Left by Eric Hammersley on Aug 02, 2005 7:08 AM

# re: Windows Vista Beta 1 - Raw hard disks and VMware v5 build 13124, Why are you using Windows XP to format them?
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Disk space it is. Check my site for the post outlining my testing of this error.
Left by Eric Hammersley on Aug 02, 2005 9:06 AM

# re: Windows Vista Beta 1 - Raw hard disks and VMware v5 build 13124, Why are you using Windows XP to format them?
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I followed your recommended process and keep getting a blue screen with the following information:

Protecting your system yada yada yada...

Not enough hard drive space, try a new video adapter, shutoff bios memory cache...

STOP: 0x0000007E (0xC0000420,0x880A3BFA,0x81603B14,0x81603810)

Any help would be appreciated.
Left by Possum on Aug 02, 2005 12:25 PM

# re: Windows Vista Beta 1 - Raw hard disks and VMware v5 build 13124, Why are you using Windows XP to format them?
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It has been proven that the installer does not handle/understand hard drive space requirements very well. Make sure you create a virtual disk of at least 8GB in size. I posted an article this morning testing this very problem. While I have not seen this exact BSOD I image it is close to the same problem.
Left by Eric Hammersley on Aug 02, 2005 12:40 PM

# re: Windows Vista Beta 1 - Raw hard disks and VMware v5 build 13124, Why are you using Windows XP to format them?
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I followed the instructions you gave with virtual pc and worked perfectly thanks!
Left by James Smith on Aug 03, 2005 5:07 AM

# re: Windows Vista Beta 1 - Raw hard disks and VMware v5 build 13124, Why are you using Windows XP to format them?
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I redownloaded the iso file and got past this inital blue screen error...now I seem to be stuck at "Completing Installation..." or should it take hours?
Left by Possum on Aug 03, 2005 11:38 AM

# re: Windows Vista Beta 1 - Raw hard disks and VMware v5 build 13124, Why are you using Windows XP to format them?
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The first reboot shouldn't take more than 20 minutes or so. Once the reboots the first time the next installing screen takes close to an hour, dependant on host hardware of course.
Left by Eric Hammersley on Aug 03, 2005 11:52 AM

# re: Windows Vista Beta 1 - Raw hard disks and VMware v5 build 13124, Why are you using Windows XP to format them?
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Will it work with a 10GB virtual raw disk?
I try installing in VMW5 and it is too slow, which profile do you select? Windows XP or Longhorn?
I'm trying VMW4 now, it has better performance.
Left by oliversl on Aug 06, 2005 6:47 PM

# re: Windows Vista Beta 1 - Raw hard disks and VMware v5 build 13124, Why are you using Windows XP to format them?
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Yes, a 10GB disk will work fine. I've been using the Longhorn profile in Workstation v5 with good results.

I have not tested any of it on Workstation v4. I do know from testing of GSX server that the network driver with Workstation v4 will most likely not install. Use the vmxnet driver from Workstation v5. Let us know how it turns out.
Left by Eric Hammersley on Aug 06, 2005 7:37 PM

# re: Windows Vista Beta 1 - Raw hard disks and VMware v5 build 13124, Why are you using Windows XP to format them?
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what can i do if i have bit torrent file?
i downloaded .iso image but i don't have a dvd burner to burn it on to a dvd.
i followed all your steps
everything was fine until reboot time
since i booted from .iso image the first time
now it's showing the following message :

pls help... if you can
thank you

**No bootable CD, floppy or hard disk was detected.
To install an operating system, insert a bootable CD or floppy
and restart the virtual machine by clicking the Reset button.**
Left by DJ on Aug 15, 2005 6:15 AM

# re: Windows Vista Beta 1 - Raw hard disks and VMware v5 build 13124, Why are you using Windows XP to format them?
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This is because VMware, like a physical machine, has a boot order. VMware BIOS's default to an order of Floppy, Hard Disk, CD-ROM. Once your partition and/or format the Hard Disk it will stop there in the boot order and you will get that error.

Fix: Reboot the VM and make sure you click into the window at the BIOS screen. Press the ESC key on your keyboard and you will be presented with a Boot Menu. From here you want to select the CD-ROM drive. You only need to do this during the hard disk setup stage. When it reboots during the setup and install you want to let it boot to the hard disk, IOW just leave it be.

If you can't get the BIOS Boot Screen to appear then you either don't have focus in the window at boot or you aren't pressing ESC at the right time. If you miss it press CTRL-ALT-INS quickly to try again. Remember you have to click your mouse into the screen to give it keyboard control before your keypress will be seen.
Left by Eric Hammersley on Aug 15, 2005 6:48 AM

# re: Windows Vista Beta 1 - Raw hard disks and VMware v5 build 13124, Why are you using Windows XP to format them?
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Hi there again

yes, i was doing many thing simultaneously and so i kept on releasing the cursor several times and kept on forgetting to click back into the screen, and that was the problem, but once i sat done to focus on loading longhorn, everthing was a cake walk!
currently i am in the process of installing VMware tools so that i can change out of the 4bit display.

thank you for everything:)
Left by DJ on Aug 16, 2005 8:47 AM

# re: Windows Vista Beta 1 - Raw hard disks and VMware v5 build 13124, Why are you using Windows XP to format them?
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hi there
back again

i am having a little trouble with connecting to the internet
i have DSL
and i have the vmware tools installed
with the vmnet adapater is installed
and when power on longhorn and i reach the desktop on the right side side down...i do see the ethernet adapter as connected/enabled, but i am still unable to connect to the net.
it would be great if you can help me out.
thank you
Left by DJ on Aug 18, 2005 7:56 AM

# re: Windows Vista Beta 1 - Raw hard disks and VMware v5 build 13124, Why are you using Windows XP to format them?
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Is your virtual adapter running "Bridged"? Check your virtual hardward settings for the Ethernet Adapter and make sure.
Left by Eric Hammersley on Aug 18, 2005 9:36 AM

# re: Windows Vista Beta 1 - Raw hard disks and VMware v5 build 13124, Why are you using Windows XP to format them?
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aaah
i had just typed a whole paragraph and i lost all of it coz i accidentally clicked the submit button :(
well anyways
i actually had the connection as NAT
coz DHCP releases automatically..and i thought that would be the best option ..but then when i saw it wasn't working i changed it to bridged and it says network adapter is connected and working fine..but it's not doing anything? i even checked the "manage visual networks" options to see if there was anything i could do....
but for some reason still unable to connect to the internet via longhorn..
Oh well!..i will keep on trying, in the mean time if you have any more pointers...that would be of great help!
thanx
Left by DJ on Aug 18, 2005 4:44 PM

# re: Windows Vista Beta 1 - Raw hard disks and VMware v5 build 13124, Why are you using Windows XP to format them?
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I did the same thing with Vista (I never heard about XP trick before my first Longhorn's installation). It works well, really
Left by Alexey on Sep 15, 2005 4:37 AM

# Failed to install network adapter driver with VMWare GSX Server 3.1
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I failed to install network adapter driver with VMWare GSX Server 3.1. I've already installed VMWare tools and all other drivers such as display driver and SCSI driver installed properly. But during VM tools installation I get an error "Network driver could not be installed. Install it manually". What should I do? Where can I get this driver? Please, response
Left by Alexey on Sep 15, 2005 4:53 AM

# re: Windows Vista Beta 1 - Raw hard disks and VMware v5 build 13124, Why are you using Windows XP to format them?
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The VMware Tools install for GSX server is like Workstation in that it places all the drivers in the Program Files/VMware directory.

Follow the instructions for installing the network driver in my article titled "Windows Vista Beta 1 install on VMware v5 build 13124 - Initial Observations"
Left by Eric Hammersley on Sep 15, 2005 7:06 AM

# re: Windows Vista Beta 1 - Raw hard disks and VMware v5 build 13124, Why are you using Windows XP to format them?
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Alexey, I know it works. Back when I wrote it the majority of Vista install articles (I think there were only a few at that time) talked about having to have an XP or 2003 install disk. I wanted to dispell the myth that you needed it and provide another way of doing it without the extra media. :-)
Left by Eric Hammersley on Sep 15, 2005 7:09 AM

# re: Windows Vista Beta 1 - Raw hard disks and VMware v5 build 13124, Why are you using Windows XP to format them?
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Thanx for the help. The boot order change made the difference.
Left by Shai on Sep 18, 2005 11:45 PM

# re: Windows Vista Beta 1 - Raw hard disks and VMware v5 build 13124, Why are you using Windows XP to format them?
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Hi,

I justed installed Longhorn Beta 1 build 5219 in VMWare v5 build 13124. I only got it working by adding an additional disk of 4GB next to the 9.5GB disk already created for installation. I got the message there wasn't a disk attached to hold the temporary setup files. Thanks for the tips about the RAW disks!
Left by Djef_ on Sep 30, 2005 2:57 AM

# re: Windows Vista Beta 1 - Raw hard disks and VMware v5 build 13124, Why are you using Windows XP to format them?
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hey ! great article thanks for the info i got Vista up and running on VMware and on a real partition too!!

im using an ibm thinkpad t42 with ati mobility radeon 9600! the glass effect is enabled by default but the resolution is stuck on 640x480! i tried installing the updated ATI Beta drivers but the installation fails!

is there some solution to this problem?

Thanks a lot in advance :)
Left by PS on Oct 09, 2005 9:13 AM

# re: Windows Vista Beta 1 - Raw hard disks and VMware v5 build 13124, Why are you using Windows XP to format them?
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Adding that second "raw" disk did the trick for me too... thanks DJEF.
Left by Tbone on Oct 20, 2005 6:45 PM

# VMWare Tools and network error!
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How do you enable the network? I can't seem to get it to work... I usually use NAT for my other vm's
Left by neener on Feb 02, 2006 10:13 PM

# re: Windows Vista Beta 1 - Raw hard disks and VMware v5 build 13124, Why are you using Windows XP to format them?
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Nvm I already got it running...


Do you need to enable something to use that Flip 3D feature? like where the windows are angled all at a angle???
Left by neener on Feb 03, 2006 12:17 AM

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Will the sound work in VMware using windows vista beta 5270
Left by Humdigger on Feb 05, 2006 7:57 PM

# re: Windows Vista Beta 1 - Raw hard disks and VMware v5 build 13124, Why are you using Windows XP to format them?
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if you fail on choose the right partition:
vista _can´t_ manage, format or create partitions. you have to do this manually, either with an windows PE, knopiix or any other liveCD or you can press Shift+F10 during the install process, then the command line appears. then use the tool DISKPART to create and format a partition.
i have used a partition with 15 gigs and it was enough. 10 gigs was not enough, maybe because of the temporary files.
vista works great.
Left by bibo on Mar 04, 2006 2:12 PM

# re: Windows Vista Beta 1 - Raw hard disks and VMware v5 build 13124, Why are you using Windows XP to format them?
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Now try it on Vista build 5342 (32 bit)
Simply will not run on VMWARE
BSOD every time
Left by JJO on Apr 22, 2006 7:04 PM

# re: Windows Vista Beta 1 - Raw hard disks and VMware v5 build 13124, Why are you using Windows XP to format them?
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When i start Windows Vista installation in VMWare with the ISO mounted in Daemin-tool, i get the error, "Driver not found. Insert the driver disc". I have a new Dell Inspiron E1505. Where can i find the Driver disc. Can i use Windows XP Installation CD for drivers. How much memory do i allocated for Vista in VMWare. I have 1 GB RAM.
Left by Jones on Jul 28, 2006 7:31 AM

# re: Windows Vista Beta 1 - Raw hard disks and VMware v5 build 13124, Why are you using Windows XP to format them?
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There have been many reported problems with DaemonTools under Vista. If you are running version 4.03+ of DaemonTools under Beta 2 of Vista only it will work fine. Otherwise you'll have issues with DT and Vista.

Why are you mounting disks in DT anyway? Just mount the ISOs with VMware.
Left by Eric Hammersley on Jul 28, 2006 7:38 AM

# re: Windows Vista Beta 1 - Raw hard disks and VMware v5 build 13124, Why are you using Windows XP to format them?
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I will try mounting it on VMWare Workstation. But what do i do for the Driver disc problem. The setup would'nt proceed any further without finishing that step. Can i use Windows XP Installation disc?
Left by Jones on Jul 28, 2006 7:47 AM

# re: Windows Vista Beta 1 - Raw hard disks and VMware v5 build 13124, Why are you using Windows XP to format them?
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Format RAW floppy
Left by somanath on Aug 18, 2006 8:10 AM

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