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Now that we will be observing DST, I would very much like to see as much of Indiana as possible on Central Time.

State Representative Jackie Walorski of Lakeville says, "If we do nothing, we'll end up in Eastern Time. If we're proactive and do something, we can probably petition to be in Central Time..."

A "Central Time coalition... plans to make a presentation to the governor in a few weeks, which is well in advance of the federal hearings that will probably take place this summer."

I would like to see as many counties as possible be part of this consortium or coalition.

Because most localities prefer to have their clock read 12:00 at local noon, the earth has been divided up into 24 natural time zones, each 15 degrees wide. This results in approximately the same number of hours of sunlight in the morning (before noon) as in the evening (after noon) in the middle of each zone. The Eastern zone is centered on 75 degrees and the Central on 90. This puts the natural boundary between Eastern and Central time at 82.5 degrees.

If you look in the atlas, with Fort Wayne at 85 degrees and Evansville at 87 degrees, you can see that all of Indiana lies well within the natural boundary of the Central timezone, as well as virtually all of Kentucky and Michigan, and the western half of Ohio.

Over the years, the statutory boundary has gotten moved quite a bit west of the 82.5 degree line in the U.S., especially north of Kentucky. I would like to see this boundary moved back closer to the natural boundary in Indiana by being drawn up our eastern border, aligning our time with our neighboring states to the west rather than those to the east, with an exception allowed for the five counties near Louisville and Cincinnati.

Because most of Indiana has been observing Eastern time, and since Indiana is well within the natural boundary for Central time, there is already plenty of daylight in the evening to suit me. Even as we have been from 1966 until now (year round Eastern Standard) we already had anywhere from nearly an hour (November) to nearly two hours (February) more daylight in the evening than in the morning.

If Indiana successfully petitions to go to Central time, this would stay the same in the summer. If we continue on Eastern time, the sun would rise in July about 6:40 am and set about 9 pm, giving us only 5.3 hours before noon and 9 hours after noon, or a whopping 3.7 hours more sun in the evening than in the morning. Our clocks would read 1:50 pm at local noon. This just seems excessive to me.

I find it helpful to be able to wait until twilight before starting to get the family to bed. I find 8:45 pm already late enough for that in the summer months. It would be even tougher to get children to bed at a decent hour if we had to to wait until 9:45 pm for twilight on Eastern Daylight time.

Central Daylight Time, which most of Indiana effectively observes now, would still give us nearly two more hours of sunlight in the summer evenings than in the mornings. Central Standard Time in the winter would give us one more hour of morning sunlight than we have now. Having the sun up by 7am instead of 8am in December would be a nice help to dispel the mid-winter gloom.

Columbus, Indiana
Bartholomew County
Tue, 31 May 2005
Left by Bill Starr on May 31, 2005 5:32 PM

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I agree 100%. It doesn't look like it's going to happen, though.
Left by Chris J. Breisch on Jun 07, 2005 8:39 AM

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I am sorry, but I do not want it to be completely dark outside by 5:00pm in the winter. The sun will set just after 4:00pm in the winter if we switch to Central instead of sticking with Eastern. The purpose of Daylight Saving Time is to provide more daylight in the summer after work hours, so naturally this means that the daylight will be lopsided with noon. It begins to get lighter approximately 30 minutes before the sun even rises, so it will be light outside starting around 6 in the morning if we move our clocks ahead in the summer. Why do we need the sun at 5:00am like we have it now? It is watsed daylight. Instead, it gets dark by 9:00pm, so our lights are on for an hour they really wouldn't need to be. That's another reason for DST, less energy consumption. Far more people are up and about between 9-10 in the evenings than 5-6 in the morning. This means if it is light outside longer in the evenings, people will not be using energy then to light up their homes and what not. Far fewer people would have to turn their lights on in the morning. This saves on energy - something we all need to be somewhat concerned with. If we would switch to Central, we would turn our clocks back. We would lose daylight we were used to, not gain anymore. I say we stick with what we have. If anyone should switch to Central, it should only be a few counties along the Illinois border.
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Indiana will not change time zones. It cannot because it does not meet the criteria to do so with the US Department of Transportation. I doubt they even give hearings in most cities the governor has requested. Changes are usually only granted county by county under certain guidlines. Only two counties have a real chance of changing to Central and that would be Pike and Starke. Pike and Starke used to be Central and petitioned to become Eastern and they were approved. The Chambers of Commerence of Indianapolis and Fort Wayne support staying on Eastern time and several Indianapolis television stations have also noted that we will not be changing time zones.
Left by Richard on Jul 10, 2005 7:45 PM

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I agree with Bill Starr that we clearly belong in the central time zone. Look at Alabama. It lines up almost exactly east- west with Indiana. I am sorry that the way the earth is tilted causes the number of hours of daylight to be smaller in the winter but that is the way it is. I fail to understand why I should be forced to get up in the dark most of the year when we could have about the same amount of hours of daylight before noon as afternoon. If the TV went on Central time shows that end at 11:00 PM now would end at 10:00 PM and we could all get to bed a little earlier. Since most people are trying to get along on too little sleep that would be a good thing.
Left by LWS on Jul 13, 2005 4:40 PM

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Just as I said, it happened! I am still doubtful any Indiana county will petion for a change. The counties by South Bend/Elkhart want to stay together, but Elkhart County will never petion to go Central. Also Starke County would have to petion to go back to Central if the South Bend area wanted to because most likely the US Transportation Department would not isolate certain counties in different time zones. Again my preditions are if any counties change time zones they will be Pike and/or Starke.
Left by Richard on Jul 19, 2005 10:59 AM

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Kudos to Richard for calling the Department of Transportation's reaction to Governor Daniels request! The only way that counties will change now is if blocks of them can get their county commissioners together and petition together. That is very unlikely, even in western Indiana. I would, however, add Pulaski County and possibly White County to his list due to Indiana Beach's draw from the Chicago area. . However, lots of people in White County work in Tippecanoe County which is unlikely to change. So, White County is a tossup.

The geography arguments for Central Time are correct, technically. However, to have equal daylight before and after noon is a modern impossibility. It would put Indiana on Central Standard Time year round and on the same time as Denver in the summer. I really couldn't care less about solar noon. What matter to me is the number of hours of daylight AFTER WORK when I can use them to mow the grass, play with my kids and ride my bicycle. Opponents of Eastern Daylight Time for Indiana have derisively called it "double fast-time". With sunset at 4:15 p.m., I think "double backward time" is more appropriate for Central Time in Indiana!
Left by Steve on Jul 22, 2005 7:14 PM

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Well, I would prefer central. I like to watch college football and it's nice to have it start earlier in the day and end earlier. :)

I have other reasons as well. It does fit if you go by the longitude lines, but I can certainly understand people who wouldn't want sunset before they left work in the winter. Oh well...can't please 'em all.
Left by Chris J. Breisch on Jul 27, 2005 7:06 PM

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I really feel like an idiot, but will Indiana be on Central or Eastern time? I pay so little attention to local news, choosing to focus on national/world and now I'm paying the price
Left by Leanne W on Aug 15, 2005 8:42 PM

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That's undecided at the moment, but it appears to be Eastern. However, there will still be areas around Chicago, and Evansville (I think), that will be Central.

The US DOT pushed the decision about where Indiana should be back to the state and said the individual counties must petition to move to Central if they wish to do so. This is obviously a big deal and unlikely to happen (can you see your county moving, and none of the counties around you moving? It's not gonna hapen).
Left by Chris J. Breisch on Aug 16, 2005 6:16 AM

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I do not think DST is needed. If Farmers etal need more sunlight let them get up an hour earlier. Why punish everyone for the few?
Left by Don B. Pippin on Oct 30, 2005 8:18 PM

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Whent to a lot of trouble,fixing something
that seems like it did'nt change enough to
make a difference,like it never changed.Itseems like the time and energy
used on it could have been used better.
Left by Lee fultz on Feb 08, 2006 8:08 PM

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I live in Texas and just ran across this message board as I was researching Indiana's time zone boundaries (I knew that the USDOT was going to consider where to redraw the Central/Eastern time zone division, but I have yet to find an updated map). Here in Texas we've been following Daylight Saving Time for quite some time (my entire life so far). I had always admired the people of Indiana (and Arizona and Hawaii) for not falling in step with the rest of the country and voluntarily inducing jet lag on their residents twice a year to pretend that the days are longer than they actually are. We've been doing this for so long here in Texas that some of the people here actually think that the reason the days are longer in the summer has something to do with shifting our clocks forward in the spring. I was quite disappointed to find out that Indiana will now observe DST as I have hoped (and will continue to hope) that more places in the US and the rest of the world will stop this insane practice.

I find the argument that DST saves energy to be rather counterintuitive, especially since light is the only factor considered. It may be the case that we won't need our lights for an extra hour in the evening, but in the hot summer air conditioning may be needed for a longer time into the evening (especially in hot places), and air conditioning is FAR more power-hungry than lamps and ceiling lights. Add to this the jet-lagging effect and DST seems like a futile effort and more of an inconvenience. Even the people who like late sunsets complain twice a year when we change our clocks. It seems to take about a week of yawning and dragging (for some people even more) to adjust to the new time (even when we go back an hour in the fall).

I agree with the comment that time zone lines should be drawn according to longitude, and then abolishing DST. I realise I'm in the minority on this (especially in the long-established areas like Texas, and sun-drenched California), but I'd rather have approximately equal amounts of daylight before and after noon and let each individual person decide how to spend the daylight. Why must I have the government tell me that I need to utilise every moment the sun is up by shifting the daylight later into the day?? In the hot summer it's nice to go out and do something after sunset.
Left by Greg on Apr 02, 2006 11:20 PM

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Greg,
I'd have to say I agree with everything you've said.
Left by Chris J. Breisch on Apr 03, 2006 12:40 PM

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It's also worth noting that the problem with computers did come up and caused more than a few headaches. One thing that I didn't even think of as an issue was your calendar in Outlook. If I schedule a meeting for you at 10:00 am EST, and then I change my computer to observe EDT, then the meeting will still occur at 10:00 am EST. So, it will suddenly have moved to 9:00 am on my calendar. We had to have everyone a) change their timezone, b) check all their meetings, c) re-send updated meeting requests using the new time zone.

What a PITA.
Left by Chris J. Breisch on Apr 03, 2006 12:44 PM

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Prior to 1966 can anybody tell me what was going on in Dallas Texas with regards to DST. I heard a rumour Texas or Dallas didnt adopt it till 1964!

Any info would be awesome!
Left by Ian on May 26, 2006 10:42 PM

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I hate the new time change! I feel that there is 100% bad that comes out of having it! I'm literally tired all the time and that domino effects alot of things...work, company, kids there needs to be a change and the only change is bring the old time back!
Left by Susan on Jul 18, 2006 7:10 PM

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