I finally saw Star Wars: Episode III - and all you critics are mistaken

Ok, so I’m a bit late on this. I’ll admit, it’s been out for 10 days and I finally saw it – not exactly quick to jump on this one. However, I’m using the excuse that I was invited to the Microsoft pre-screening in Chicago, but I was out in Redmond at the time. Nonetheless, I’ve seen it now (just today) and I believe I can help clarify some of the mistaken posts about this. In particular, my friend the optionsScalper has it wrong – at least here, and maybe here too.

So, for the first and most obvious to all of you loyal Star Wars enthusiasts…optionsScalper suggests that Anakin is “the chosen one” and “everybody knows it”. However, watch episode III again and you’ll now hear Yoda saying something referring to this for about 5 seconds that basically states, “unless we interpreted the prophecy incorrectly.” Ah ha! Which means, since Anakin has a son in Luke on the way, it is actually Luke not Anakin that is the “chosen one” to destroy the empire and bring peace to the galaxy. Since we all know that eventually happens in episode VI, we can safely assume that is the case in point. Geez CJB, for being the pure genius you are, you’re slow to pick up on the obvious! J

I take this Star Wars stuff a little more seriously than the average rational guy, since I actually believe in “the Force” and all that jazz, so I will cut some slack to those not “up” on the situations at hand. Suffice it to say, there is definitely not a tie between good and evil. Good triumphs mightily, but episode III is tying together pieces of story that have been unfolding for nearly 30 years. It’s important to see the connections to the overall storyline, not just examine each episode singularly. The overall affect on us is effective only if we take a holistic view of the storyline. I personally enjoyed episode III thoroughly and felt it added unique depth to the story while being faithful to the long-term plot development. Bravo to Mr. Lucas – he deserves his millions!

I have to admit I barely even understood the mathematics CJB used, so I could be way off on this. Just make sure that if you’re ever in a light saber battle – you have a blue saber instead of a red one. J

posted on Monday, May 30, 2005 5:48 AM

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# re: I finally saw Star Wars: Episode III - and all you critics are mistaken 5/30/2005 10:20 AM Damon Payne

The way I always interpreted the prophecy was that Luke would not have been able to destry the emporer by himself. Vader throws him into a reactor while he's zapping luke. In that way, he ultimatley was the one who brought victory to the good guys. (Victory, not balance, as optionsScalper clearly points out)

# re: I finally saw Star Wars: Episode III - and all you critics are mistaken 5/31/2005 12:11 AM optionsScalper

Like any proper research scientist, I pride myself on the hypothesis phase of any experiment. When performing model construction and characterization, I am acutely aware of the objectives of the experiment. In my Analysis section, I attempted to remove any further bias by stating "Yoda even states that the prophecy could be interpreted another way. While Yoda survives (and could actually introduce survivor bias), it is clear that we must not allow for any subjective interpretation in the model. No bias allowed." From the Star Wars website "Qui-Gon Jinn believed Anakin to be the Chosen One spoken of in an ancient prophecy, the one who would bring balance to the Force." So I believed Anakin would bring balance to the force.

Had Yoda read my analysis he may have stated "Assumptions you make uncertain I am. Difficult to see." Obi-Wan would follow this up with "Your model is true, from a certain point of view." To which I say "Tinkler betrayed and murdered my model." (was that a red or a blue light saber in your car?). But I still stand by my math. :)

Regarding Damon's comments, I have only heard "balance" and "order" in the movies not "victory" in reference to the prophesy. But public opinion appears to be in your favor. ;)

Like Brian, I thoroughly enjoyed Episode III. I love the entire series of movies. Only a story as rich as Lucas has crafted could inspire such useful debate. Besides, the Light-Dark debate is really about marketing and public relations. The Sith just need a better publicist to convey the message "It's OK to be a Sith Lord." Too bad the Sith product doesn't have many surviving repeat customers.

-O

# Star Wars III: Revenge of the Revenge 5/31/2005 2:24 AM crazy ivan

I saw Star Wars III the other day.  Nice movie.  Lucas really outdid himself on this flick. ...

# re: I finally saw Star Wars: Episode III - and all you critics are mistaken 6/7/2005 10:51 AM ColdChilli

Maybe the balance in the force it to bring up the Dark side because the Light sided Jedi were too powerfull and becoming corrupted.

# AI: Sithsense.com and fun with neural nets 6/8/2005 1:39 AM optionsScalper

I love the guys at Microsoft Research.  I think that they have some brilliant minds.  I see...

# re: I finally saw Star Wars: Episode III - and all you critics are mistaken 6/8/2005 6:58 PM Star Wars Fan

I actually believed it was Luke for a while; but I did some extra thinking and realized it was Anakin.
The Prophecy says two things:
One, the Choosen One will bring balance to the Force. And two, the Choosen One will destroy the Sith.
If you forget the first part then it could be Luke, but because the first part exists, it has to be Anakin. In Episode III Obi-Wan gets angry at Anakin for joining the Sith instead of destroying it. However, in the third Episode Anakin does bring balance to the force. After killing Dooku it was hundreds of Jedi against 1 Sith. Anakin then kills all the Jedi at the Temple. True, the clones help, but Anakin is ultimately the one who kills them. At the end of the Episode "balance" is restored; because there are now 2 Jedi (Yoda and Obi-Wan) and 2 Sith (Palpatine/Sidious and Anakin/Vader.) And then in Episode VI, Anakin fullfills the last part of the Prophecy, by destroying the Sith. When Luke is being attacked by Sidous, Vader kills Sidous. That's one Sith down. However, in doing so he brought himself back to the light and stopped being a Sith; so that's 2 Sith down.

# re: URE WRONGGG 7/21/2005 5:34 AM SUSPECT

YOUR WRONGGG,IT WAS ANAKIN A.K.A. DARTH VADER WHO BROUGHT BALANCE TO THE FORCE, as you know, there were masters of the force, palpatine,vader, obi wan and yoda. obi wan commited suicide during lukes training, which made the space for him to become a jedi master and keep balance. My theory on yoda's death was that the force brought him to death by natural casues because they knew that the other masters were going to die, and they needed to keep balance, as the prophecy fortold. vader died of his injuries from the volcano in ep3, and it was vader aka anakin, not luke who killed palpatine by throwing him into the reactor. therefore it is 0 jedi 0 sith masters.

the prophecy foretold that there would be balance brought to the force by a individual, as soon as you hear that you think that means the good guys will win, but it doesnt mean that, it means that there will be an equal ammount of dark and light. And also the prophecy didnt foretell whether the chosen one would turn to the dark or light side. Either way that u think about it ANAKIN BROUGHT BALANCE TO THE FORCE. you hve to think outside the box, and examine it from a non-biased point of view

# re: I finally saw Star Wars: Episode III - and all you critics are mistaken 11/22/2005 12:47 AM Jonathan

The prophecy as I understand...

Anakin is the one to "return balance to the force and destroy the Sith." In episode 3 when he kills the Jedi, and leaves only Obi Wan and Yoda left he returns balance to the force. Two Jedi and Two Sith-- can't get any more balanced than that. Where as before it was hundreds of Jedi and -presumably- zero Sith.

In Episode 6, Anakin/Vader kills the emperor and renounces the darkside, thus he effectively destroys the Sith.

So Anakin did fufill the prophecy.

# re: I finally saw Star Wars: Episode III - and all you critics are mistaken 1/7/2006 9:44 PM Scott

Many of your points are valid, however, you must realize that there were more than just Obi-Wan and Yoda. These two were just main characters, therefore they were the one's who were most aparent.

# re: I finally saw Star Wars: Episode III - and all you critics are mistaken 1/30/2006 3:20 AM mjpott

I have a question. If the prophecy foretold that the chosen one would bring balance to the force, why did the Jedi treat this as a good thing? It could only mean that the Jedi numbers would either decrease to that of the Sith numbers or the Sith numbers would rise to that of the Jedi numbers right?

# The Sith'ari 2/7/2006 7:57 PM Darth Xantos

Around the time of the Jedi Civil War, the coming of the Sith'ari, an ancient Sith prophecy, became somewhat well known in Darth Revan's Sith Empire. The Sith'ari was said to be a perfect being who would rise to power and bring balance to the Force. According to prophecy, the Sith'ari would rise up and destroy the Sith, but in the process would return to lead the Sith and make them stronger than ever before. It is believed that the prophecy of the Sith Sith'ari and the prophecies of the Jedi Chosen One refer to the same individual; namely Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader, who made the Sith stronger than ever by wiping out the Jedi Knights and assisting Darth Sidious in his rise to power, but then destroyed the Sith when he betrayed and killed Sidious, thus fulfilling the ancient prophecy of the Sith'ari.

# RE: The Sith'ari 4/6/2006 7:54 AM Bastila

On the other hand, it is also believed that Revan/ Anakin Skywalker is the Sith'ari. Revan is believed to be the most powerful among the ancient Sith Lords, and yet he returned to the light and was himself the one to kill Lord Malak and put an end to the empire that he himself once built.

# Fuck you, Anakin is the chosen one 2/25/2008 1:30 PM Star Wars Fan

Anakin is the chosen one. George Lucas said it himself. Luke's not the one that destroyed the sith, Anakin(Darth Vader) is the one that destroys the sith. Meaning himself and Sidious, therefore going back to Anakin Skywalker. That is the redemption num-nuts.

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