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I’m a big fan of Scoble, so I don’t want any of you to misinterpret this as undue criticism.  Quite frankly, it is very due criticism of the following…

http://radio.weblogs.com/0001011/2005/03/06.html#a9556

I posted a comment stating…

I continue to get a kick out of marketing (or tech) people who read some book (apparently for the blog-friendly marketing folks, that book is the 5+ year old Cluetrain Manifesto) and think that the entire planet is changing its orbital axis.  [That’s a great book – I mean – really great!...I just added this part] 

I'm a marketing guy, so I can say with relative impunity that this is hyperbole.  People who have transposed "relationships" with the act of blogging have completely missed what relationships are.  Relationships exist between people.  No matter how much you virtualize things, nothing substitutes direct human interaction (i.e., talk, listen, see).  I love blogs and believe in them as tools, but they can NOT alone create and sustain relationships.  Don't be confused.  You'll never be able to automate relationship building and maintenance.  Relationships take time, effort and energy.  They always will.  Blogs are great, but let's not ruin what they can be by over-hyping them so much that the average business person sees them as junk.  Thanks! 

 

I have to honestly say that blogging is really a great way to reach influential people in specific markets, which let’s face it – is a big part of marketing.  However, to think it somehow trumps the personal one-on-one interaction that leads to a true relationship just really irks me.  There is simply NO substitute for personal time.  I hope everyone realizes that without bringing down the phenomenon of blogging and the awesome value it does bring.  I don’t really think people can bring it down now, as long as nobody believes they somehow substitute relationships.  Geez!

 

posted on Monday, March 07, 2005 3:36 AM

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# Scoble vs. Tinkler 3/7/2005 5:13 PM Tap My Mind
So, Robert Scoble recently posted on why he is such an extremist (my own words) when it comes to being...

# re: Scoble misses it by posting this "marketing" blog thought 3/7/2005 5:37 PM Jeramey Jannene
Scoble took notice of your comments, I'm going to have to say you strike a good point though. I don't think he is advocating RSS as a way to replace relationships though, just as a medium to enable easier communication between parties.

Hope Deeper in .NET went well, unfortunately I couldn't make it.

# re: Scoble misses it by posting this "marketing" blog thought 3/7/2005 6:21 PM Ben Knauss
Until Microsoft eats its own dogfood, I wont be taking Scoble seriously...

# re: Scoble misses it by posting this "marketing" blog thought 3/7/2005 10:17 PM Mr. Snitch
"Blog Marketing" won't replace human interaction. But it is rapidly becoming a necessary tool to drive traffic to commercial sites. Here is an absolutely scary statistic I just noticed while writing a post on this subject to my own blog. When making the post, the term "Marketing Blog" drew 34,200 Google results. Three hours later, I made an edit to the post and rechecked the numbers - it was up to 263,000. I left the window with the term open, and waited five minutes. 282,000 results. Yow!

# re: Scoble misses it by posting this "marketing" blog thought 3/10/2005 1:11 PM Gerry Heidenreich
Better late than never, I'm posting my $.02 everywhere!

I AGREE WITH SCOBLE

Scoble used the word relationship in the context of a personal association with his readers. "I want to know the people who work on the products I buy." As an extreme view at the comment, you might imagine he wants to PHYSICALLY associate with his readers, maybe take us out to lunch or something. This perspective is very easy to argue with, as the post's comments have proved.

COMMUNITIES are discovered and realized through weblog syndication and aggregation. If you participate in that community, actively (by posting & discussing), or passively (just reading), you have a relationship with the community.

Like it or not, you have a relationship with everyone that crosses paths with your blog. They're your audience. Whether you know them or not, they may provide value to the information in your posts. If they post as JOHN Q, with no url, they still just used their relation with you, through your weblog, to provide value feedback to your post.

I CONSIDER EVERY ONE OF US AS HAVING A RELATIONSHIP WITH SCOBLE, since we read his blog, and discuss his topics. It doesn't mean he's wining & dining us, or vice-versa, it means that we're collectively providing value to a community that we are all part of.

(follow up: Weblogs and blog s&a is the current technology to discover & realize communities & relationships, as we progress, weblogging will be a thing of the past, in favor of something more convenient, more personal, etc.)

# re: Scoble misses it by posting this "marketing" blog thought 3/10/2005 6:02 PM Brian Tinkler
Gerry, you know I like you man, but your $.02 has been vested and you deserve $.03 in change!

You're talking about something different than a "relationship", as was Scoble. Communities CAN BE and often are "discovered" via blogs and aggregation, but participating in a community via those tools does not itself bring about a relationship. It only encourages a relationship and shows you others whom you may wish to have a relationship with due to the introduction provided by the tools.

I agree that "we're collectively providing value to a community that we are all part of", but that is NOT a relationship. It's just what you said it is and that is important. Think more about "people" and less about hits, readers, page views, link backs, comments, etc. People are the only entities that can have relationships. By all means, I love the tools and technologies and they HAVE helped me build relationships. However, they've only kicked off the possibility of relationship - the relationship begins when we talk on the phone, meet in person, IM with each other, or some other human interaction where communication can truly take place in a relationship fostering way.

Thanks for your comments - but quite frankly, would we be friends if we only read each other's blogs? Exactly!


# re: Scoble misses it by posting this "marketing" blog thought 3/10/2005 11:44 PM Gerry
I saw your point all along, but I'm thinking it all boils down to what kind of geek you are. Perhaps the better word for it in that context is 'association'.

# re: Scoble misses it by posting this "marketing" blog thought 4/3/2005 8:45 AM Mat Hall
In my opinion, Scoble is some sort of idiot:

http://dashslot.co.uk/modules/news/article.php?storyid=110

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